UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
I'm not sure Dave's long anticipated immigration was really of much help today. A painful acknowledgement of yesterdays figures showing it rising and his 'tens of thousands' aim missed spectacularly.
What we got was a lot of talk about how control is wanted by the public and needed, then some vague promises about how if we vote for him again, he will go to the EU next year and get told to f-off with many of the changes that require treaty changes.
He may well make some headway, but this is not guaranteed and isn't control in the real sense, this is trying influence some of the factors that are a draw and hoping that will reduce the numbers by 160k people a year.
Maybe in four years time and another million people in the country we might see if this tinkering achieves absolutely nothing and the immigration figure keeps going up and up with changing world events.
I'm not sure he has swayed anyone today by asking more time to do something which may end up having no net effect.
What we got was a lot of talk about how control is wanted by the public and needed, then some vague promises about how if we vote for him again, he will go to the EU next year and get told to f-off with many of the changes that require treaty changes.
He may well make some headway, but this is not guaranteed and isn't control in the real sense, this is trying influence some of the factors that are a draw and hoping that will reduce the numbers by 160k people a year.
Maybe in four years time and another million people in the country we might see if this tinkering achieves absolutely nothing and the immigration figure keeps going up and up with changing world events.
I'm not sure he has swayed anyone today by asking more time to do something which may end up having no net effect.
Mr_B said:
I'm not sure Dave's long anticipated immigration was really of much help today. A painful acknowledgement of yesterdays figures showing it rising and his 'tens of thousands' aim missed spectacularly.
What we got was a lot of talk about how control is wanted by the public and needed, then some vague promises about how if we vote for him again, he will go to the EU next year and get told to f-off with many of the changes that require treaty changes.
He may well make some headway, but this is not guaranteed and isn't control in the real sense, this is trying influence some of the factors that are a draw and hoping that will reduce the numbers by 160k people a year.
Maybe in four years time and another million people in the country we might see if this tinkering achieves absolutely nothing and the immigration figure keeps going up and up with changing world events.
I'm not sure he has swayed anyone today by asking more time to do something which may end up having no net effect.
Lame PM, and maybe no PM. He needed extraordinary measures for the extraordinary situation he/we find ourselves in.What we got was a lot of talk about how control is wanted by the public and needed, then some vague promises about how if we vote for him again, he will go to the EU next year and get told to f-off with many of the changes that require treaty changes.
He may well make some headway, but this is not guaranteed and isn't control in the real sense, this is trying influence some of the factors that are a draw and hoping that will reduce the numbers by 160k people a year.
Maybe in four years time and another million people in the country we might see if this tinkering achieves absolutely nothing and the immigration figure keeps going up and up with changing world events.
I'm not sure he has swayed anyone today by asking more time to do something which may end up having no net effect.
t deserves to have a Romanian gang move in next door!
mrpurple said:
Wombat3 said:
What he said, very clearly, was that he was ruling nothing out. That is the correct position from which in which to go into any discussion/negotiation IMO. The EU know what the issues are, they don't need to have them spelled out.
Perhaps they don't but if they know already there is no harm in stating what his red lines are, concisely, openly and honestly to all and sundry especially those he may want to vote for him......If I do not get X,Z, then I will recommend leaving.... You might find he will get a lot more respect if he did....so in that respect I hope he doesn't so his past history of empty promises and pledges will be all we have to judge him on.
An archaic and antagonistic approach to any negotiation which seldom, if ever, works because the other party will simply say no and then one of you, eventually, has to retreat or no deal happens. While that clearly would suit the Kipperati, then again, you don't represent the other 85%.
Mermaid said:
He needed extraordinary measures
When his speech leaked last night I was amazed at its lack of this. I thought as he had u-turned on the cap he has been floating over the last month, at a minimum he would say "well I can't do the EU changes until negotiations but I will apply to non-eu immediately". If he had done that then he would have gained a little credibility.Speaks volumes- it was purely a script to be repeated by MPs on the doorstep at the GE.
Wombat3 said:
What he said, very clearly, was that he was ruling nothing out. That is the correct position from which in which to go into any discussion/negotiation IMO. The EU know what the issues are, they don't need to have them spelled out.
When is he applying all the EU proposals he made today to non-EU migrants?Wombat3 said:
mrpurple said:
Wombat3 said:
What he said, very clearly, was that he was ruling nothing out. That is the correct position from which in which to go into any discussion/negotiation IMO. The EU know what the issues are, they don't need to have them spelled out.
Perhaps they don't but if they know already there is no harm in stating what his red lines are, concisely, openly and honestly to all and sundry especially those he may want to vote for him......If I do not get X,Z, then I will recommend leaving.... You might find he will get a lot more respect if he did....so in that respect I hope he doesn't so his past history of empty promises and pledges will be all we have to judge him on.
An archaic and antagonistic approach to any negotiation which seldom, if ever, works because the other party will simply say no and then one of you, eventually, has to retreat or no deal happens. While that clearly would suit the Kipperati, then again, you don't represent the other 85%.
Yazar said:
Wombat3 said:
What he said, very clearly, was that he was ruling nothing out. That is the correct position from which in which to go into any discussion/negotiation IMO. The EU know what the issues are, they don't need to have them spelled out.
When is he applying all the EU proposals he made today to non-EU migrants?mrpurple said:
Not helped much by continued stories like the Next Polish recruitment policy either.
Only seen a Mirror article so won't paste a link.
Here is a PH friendly Daily Mail link...Only seen a Mirror article so won't paste a link.
fatboy18 said:
Who the hell is She?
The YGP, a Kurdish militia set up, known as the Popular or People's Protection Unit.Like lots of them on either side, they love war and killing. Look at her face, the joy of being next to armour.
TRF99 can go join them for all I care, least we'd be rid of his anti-kipper warbling.
dandarez said:
fatboy18 said:
Who the hell is She?
The YGP, a Kurdish militia set up, known as the Popular or People's Protection Unit.Like lots of them on either side, they love war and killing. Look at her face, the joy of being next to armour.
TRF99 can go join them for all I care, least we'd be rid of his anti-kipper warbling.
JustAnotherLogin said:
dandarez said:
still UKIP surges on. Or have the antis still not noticed?
Nothing, but nothing will now stop the continual tide that is turning to UKIP.
The sea change is coming.
Good!
Surges on?Nothing, but nothing will now stop the continual tide that is turning to UKIP.
The sea change is coming.
Good!
Sea change?
As far as I can see support for UKIP over the last year has done little more than fluctuate a little either side of the 15% mark.
Your optimism seems to have little more basis than that of Wolfie Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
The most one could say for UKIPs impact at the next election would be that they could stop the Tories winning (which Wolfie would have been more than happy with I suppose)
I could be bloody rude now and say you must be ...., but I won't and simply suggest you must be living in a darkened room!
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