UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
dandarez said:
The YGP, a Kurdish militia set up, known as the Popular or People's Protection Unit.
Like lots of them on either side, they love war and killing. Look at her face, the joy of being next to armour.
Or the joy of fighting for freedom, for all oppressed peoples, all faiths, against ISIS. You've never seen a combatant smile? Like lots of them on either side, they love war and killing. Look at her face, the joy of being next to armour.
YPJ are the Women's Protection Units (there's also the male equivalent, YPG) -- Syrian (mainly Kurdish, but with Arab, Syriac, Christian, Jewish and Chechen members) volunteer force, the folk who are beating the carp out of ISIS in Kobani and the Rojava generally.
If anyone is genuinely interested in what she's fighting for, take a peek at the constitution of the Rojava. (Probably too damn democratic for Nigel). Or read up on the latest round of ISIS beheadings, rapes, executions, cutting off of fingers, etc.
And petition Nigel to send her a few tanks and surface to air missiles.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 28th November 18:05
mrpurple said:
Wombat3 said:
mrpurple said:
Wombat3 said:
What he said, very clearly, was that he was ruling nothing out. That is the correct position from which in which to go into any discussion/negotiation IMO. The EU know what the issues are, they don't need to have them spelled out.
Perhaps they don't but if they know already there is no harm in stating what his red lines are, concisely, openly and honestly to all and sundry especially those he may want to vote for him......If I do not get X,Z, then I will recommend leaving.... You might find he will get a lot more respect if he did....so in that respect I hope he doesn't so his past history of empty promises and pledges will be all we have to judge him on.
An archaic and antagonistic approach to any negotiation which seldom, if ever, works because the other party will simply say no and then one of you, eventually, has to retreat or no deal happens. While that clearly would suit the Kipperati, then again, you don't represent the other 85%.
This is a large part of my problem with the whole UKIP agenda of lets just f
king throw it all in the air and see what happens - it'll all be "Great fun" , a great wheeze - whoop, whoop, lets kick sand in everyone's lunch and laugh!Its crass, ill thought out, short sighted, impractical and above all, its destabilising.
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & f
k the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).Wombat3 said:
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & fk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).
Rubbishk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).UKIP want a public referendum, ie, the public to choose.
How is that f
k the other 85%?Scuffers said:
Wombat3 said:
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & fk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).
Rubbishk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).UKIP want a public referendum, ie, the public to choose.
How is that f
k the other 85%?AFAIK UKIP policy is that we should leave the EU
What does not add up about UKIP policy is that it does not seem too bothered about realising the shortest possible route to that objective. Ineed it seems quite happy to contemplate a situation that may prevent it ever coming about.
Wombat3 said:
Because doing something so obviously designed to antagonise would be idiotic and destabilising, and instability is "bad for business".
This is a large part of my problem with the whole UKIP agenda of lets just fking throw it all in the air and see what happens - it'll all be "Great fun" , a great wheeze - whoop, whoop, lets kick sand in everyone's lunch and laugh!
Its crass, ill thought out, short sighted, impractical and above all, its destabilising.
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & fk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).
what on earth are you raving about?This is a large part of my problem with the whole UKIP agenda of lets just f
king throw it all in the air and see what happens - it'll all be "Great fun" , a great wheeze - whoop, whoop, lets kick sand in everyone's lunch and laugh!Its crass, ill thought out, short sighted, impractical and above all, its destabilising.
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & f
k the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).have you stopped your medication?
if you have trouble forming coherent thoughts, just do it one at a time.
Just present your first idea and say what is wrong in your humble opinion.
All this puffed up hyperbole with no substance just makes me want to laugh.
and the next time you say 'clearly' can you actually make it clear?
NicD said:
Wombat3 said:
Because doing something so obviously designed to antagonise would be idiotic and destabilising, and instability is "bad for business".
This is a large part of my problem with the whole UKIP agenda of lets just fking throw it all in the air and see what happens - it'll all be "Great fun" , a great wheeze - whoop, whoop, lets kick sand in everyone's lunch and laugh!
Its crass, ill thought out, short sighted, impractical and above all, its destabilising.
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & fk the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).
what on earth are you raving about?This is a large part of my problem with the whole UKIP agenda of lets just f
king throw it all in the air and see what happens - it'll all be "Great fun" , a great wheeze - whoop, whoop, lets kick sand in everyone's lunch and laugh!Its crass, ill thought out, short sighted, impractical and above all, its destabilising.
UKIP clearly doesn't do compromise & isn't interested in negotiating anything with anyone. It wants what it wants & f
k the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).have you stopped your medication?
if you have trouble forming coherent thoughts, just do it one at a time.
Just present your first idea and say what is wrong in your humble opinion.
All this puffed up hyperbole with no substance just makes me want to laugh.
and the next time you say 'clearly' can you actually make it clear?
k the other 85%. Nearly as bad as the SNP IMO. That kind of approach to anything just never does it for me (and, rarely if ever works either that I can recall).Happy?
NicD said:
NO!
why do you say this?
if you break it down into specifics, we can look at the detail, see what is behind it and venture whether it is beneficial to the UK or not.
Because its my opinion. why do you say this?
if you break it down into specifics, we can look at the detail, see what is behind it and venture whether it is beneficial to the UK or not.
UKIP is led & supported by a bunch of people who don't do compromise. For whatever reason. That is my observation.
IMO its dangerous & destabilising and, in the long term will achieve little.
Just as with the SNP , IMO, they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks and aren't interested in any form of practical compromise about anything. Far too much "chest beating rhetoric" for me.
dandarez said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
dandarez said:
still UKIP surges on. Or have the antis still not noticed?
Nothing, but nothing will now stop the continual tide that is turning to UKIP.
The sea change is coming.
Good!
Surges on?Nothing, but nothing will now stop the continual tide that is turning to UKIP.
The sea change is coming.
Good!
Sea change?
As far as I can see support for UKIP over the last year has done little more than fluctuate a little either side of the 15% mark.
Your optimism seems to have little more basis than that of Wolfie Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
The most one could say for UKIPs impact at the next election would be that they could stop the Tories winning (which Wolfie would have been more than happy with I suppose)
I could be bloody rude now and say you must be ...., but I won't and simply suggest you must be living in a darkened room!
steveT350C said:
We have a contract with CMD. He has failed, therefore, according to his contract, we must kick him out... 
Because clearly the alternative would be better That article, that contract is/was a stupid thing to do but then sadly its the kind of lowest denominator politics that politicians in this country have to resort to because large chunks of the electorate are so bloody thick that's the kind of crap you have to come up with in order to "out -crap" the other guy.
It then suits an agenda to look back on that & go "ooooh
we must kick him out!!". That in itself is infantile, at best. I'm only interested in what happens next & personally, I've got mouths to feed & businesses to run. I need/want stability & practicality. Anyone who thinks that what the government does is easy, thinks all the country's problems could even be half way solved in four years and reduces it all down to black & white paths/options simply has no f
king clue what they are talking about IMO.Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 28th November 19:01
Wombat3 said:
Because its my opinion.
UKIP is led & supported by a bunch of people who don't do compromise. For whatever reason. That is my observation.
IMO its dangerous & destabilising and, in the long term will achieve little.
Just as with the SNP , IMO, they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks and aren't interested in any form of practical compromise about anything. Far too much "chest beating rhetoric" for me.
fair enough, I have opinions and observations also.If asked, i do try to present links and evidence to support them.UKIP is led & supported by a bunch of people who don't do compromise. For whatever reason. That is my observation.
IMO its dangerous & destabilising and, in the long term will achieve little.
Just as with the SNP , IMO, they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks and aren't interested in any form of practical compromise about anything. Far too much "chest beating rhetoric" for me.
No matter, lets debate your central theme ' people who don't do compromise'
Lets say you were a gifted astronomer living far long ago when the accepted wisdom, the world was flat.
Would you advocate compromising your vision of planets revolving around the sun?
Surely, there are situations when one should not compromise?
btw, i have not accepted your premise at all, just want to discuss it bit by bit
Scuffers said:
Wombat3 said:
UKIP policy is that with a majority government it would just hold a referendum on EU membership? I'd be "surprised"
AFAIK UKIP policy is that we should leave the EU
Then your being ignorant.AFAIK UKIP policy is that we should leave the EU
Its clearly stated policy number 1, referendum EU membership.
"– UKIP will leave the EU ....... "
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
eharding said:
brenflys777 said:
eharding said:
Oh bless, you can do better than that can't you?
Nigel and Maggie both have some spine, something I thought Cameron lacked, but to pretend the immigration figures can be massaged away after he published his 'contract' he has got balls after all!
Today must be a fairly distressing day to someone like yourself who puts their faith in Cameron.
Wombat3 said:
steveT350C said:
We have a contract with CMD. He has failed, therefore, according to his contract, we must kick him out...
Because clearly the alternative would be better That article, that contract is/was a stupid thing to do but then sadly its the kind of lowest denominator politics that politicians in this country have to resort to because large chunks of the electorate are so bloody thick that's the kind of crap you have to come up with in order to "out -crap" the other guy.
It then suits an agenda to look back on that & go "ooooh
we must kick him out!!". That in itself is infantile, at best. I'm only interested in what happens next & personally, I've got mouths to feed & businesses to run. I need/want stability & practicality. Anyone who thinks that what the government does is easy, thinks all the country's problems could even be half way solved in four years and reduces it all down to black & white paths/options simply has no f
king clue what they are talking about IMO.Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 28th November 19:01
Or maybe the renegotiation is the bit he intends to dismiss after election
Cameron's only hope is there are enough people who are so scared of Ed Milliband that they vote for Cameron because they haven't got the spine to do anything other than be petrified. Sad.
Wombat3 said:
Scuffers said:
Wombat3 said:
UKIP policy is that with a majority government it would just hold a referendum on EU membership? I'd be "surprised"
AFAIK UKIP policy is that we should leave the EU
Then your being ignorant.AFAIK UKIP policy is that we should leave the EU
Its clearly stated policy number 1, referendum EU membership.
"– UKIP will leave the EU ....... "
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
Gerard Batten, a MEP for London and founding member of the party, told a meeting on the fringes of the Ukip conference in Doncaster on Friday evening that it was "Ukip policy to leave the European Union, not to hold a referendum".
Or is he ignorant too?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/26/ukip-re...
NicD said:
Wombat3 said:
Because its my opinion.
UKIP is led & supported by a bunch of people who don't do compromise. For whatever reason. That is my observation.
IMO its dangerous & destabilising and, in the long term will achieve little.
Just as with the SNP , IMO, they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks and aren't interested in any form of practical compromise about anything. Far too much "chest beating rhetoric" for me.
fair enough, I have opinions and observations also.If asked, i do try to present links and evidence to support them.UKIP is led & supported by a bunch of people who don't do compromise. For whatever reason. That is my observation.
IMO its dangerous & destabilising and, in the long term will achieve little.
Just as with the SNP , IMO, they don't give a toss what anyone else thinks and aren't interested in any form of practical compromise about anything. Far too much "chest beating rhetoric" for me.
No matter, lets debate your central theme ' people who don't do compromise'
Lets say you were a gifted astronomer living far long ago when the accepted wisdom, the world was flat.
Would you advocate compromising your vision of planets revolving around the sun?
Surely, there are situations when one should not compromise?
btw, i have not accepted your premise at all, just want to discuss it bit by bit
ks. What has my opinion/observation that the vast majority of UKIPers I have come across/observed simply aren't interested in any compromise and , in very large part, seem to ignore the practicalities of the current situation, got to do with the flat earth nutters of yester-year?In peacetime politics there is rarely, if ever, not a contrary view that may hold some validity. Successful government also always features compromise and recognition that there is always an opposing view. Same works in most businesses funnily enough.
I am not saying that some of UKIP's views are not valid or without merit, but I do find some of them highly and unrealistically simplistic and the delivery of them antagonistic, overly aggressive, and therefore potentially destabilising. I have seldom (possibly never) seen anyone of a UKIP persuasion (on this forum or elsewhere) say anything positive about anything anyone else had to say or indeed what the current government has done. The overriding theme from UKIP is "ITS ALL CRAP AND WE WANT TO BLOW IT ALL UP!!! " Whoop, whoop, won't that be a grand wheeze?
Well, actually, no it f
king won't thanks very much!I am also bored of hearing negative b
ks about how st it all is and equally just amazed at how short some people's memories are, and how little patience and tolerance some people seem to have. Such an approach leads nowhere IMO.(And, for the record, neither do I accept the (apparent) UKIP premise that all Westminster politicians are self serving, lying scum & elitist t
ts who couldn't do a day's work if their lives depended on it!). Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff