UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Benbay001 said:
Why do we have to reduce it? As long as we can choose who comes in then i couldnt give a damn what the figure is.
I'd agree with you entirely if our country was the size of Canada, but it's not. I read today that we are accepting enough immigrants to fill a city the size of Birmingham every 30 months, if that's true then it has to stop, it's simply not sustainable.Benbay001 said:
Why do we have to reduce it? As long as we can choose who comes in then i couldnt give a damn what the figure is.
That argument wouldn't look so good if/when immigration adds a lot more millions to our population and labour supply.Especially if the government carries on trying to squeeze most of them into London and the South East at least from the South East's point of view.BooHoo said:
Benbay001 said:
Why do we have to reduce it? As long as we can choose who comes in then i couldnt give a damn what the figure is.
I'd agree with you entirely if our country was the size of Canada, but it's not. I read today that we are accepting enough immigrants to fill a city the size of Birmingham every 30 months, if that's true then it has to stop, it's simply not sustainable.BooHoo said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
FiF said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Lots has been said on here about how many seats are expected, and by implication what would be seen as a success for UKIp, what about the % of votes. What would be a "good" result for UKIP at the GE in those terms?
Have no need to restate what my opinion is about seat potential. Covered that also.I just thought calling someone stupid for making such an easy mistake was poor communication skills.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Never said it was.
I just thought calling someone stupid for making such an easy mistake was poor communication skills.
I'd say commenting on something that you have failed to understand because you couldn't be bothered to read it properly is poor communication skills. I just thought calling someone stupid for making such an easy mistake was poor communication skills.
JustAnotherLogin said:
FiF said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Lots has been said on here about how many seats are expected, and by implication what would be seen as a success for UKIp, what about the % of votes. What would be a "good" result for UKIP at the GE in those terms?
Have no need to restate what my opinion is about seat potential. Covered that also.If you even skim read threads half decently you will find that I have covered the issue you raise several times. The overall % of the vote is largely irrelevant, in the FPTP system it is number of seats which count. The overall % is not that good a measure of a good/poor result.
Full stop. Rule off.
Now go and pick an argument with someone else.
FiF said:
Clearly you're just another who visits these pages in order to deliberately engineer an argument.
If you even skim read threads half decently you will find that I have covered the issue you raise several times. The overall % of the vote is largely irrelevant, in the FPTP system it is number of seats which count. The overall % is not that good a measure of a good/poor result.
Full stop. Rule off.
Now go and pick an argument with someone else.
exactly.If you even skim read threads half decently you will find that I have covered the issue you raise several times. The overall % of the vote is largely irrelevant, in the FPTP system it is number of seats which count. The overall % is not that good a measure of a good/poor result.
Full stop. Rule off.
Now go and pick an argument with someone else.
XJ Flyer said:
Greg66 said:
NicD said:
This looks good!
Switzerland votes on ending mass immigration
The controversial Ecopop movement wants to slash the numbers entering the coutry from 80,000 a year to just 16,000
why cant we have a vote?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swi...
Sounds like a brilliant idea!Switzerland votes on ending mass immigration
The controversial Ecopop movement wants to slash the numbers entering the coutry from 80,000 a year to just 16,000
why cant we have a vote?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swi...
Except the Swiss rejected the proposal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30267042
Decisively.
74% against the proposal.
Happy with a similar outcome here?
Nor are the Swiss "fleeing" to Bavaria. Why would they? Wages are lower and well the Bavarians are still German. Unlike you Ive lived and remain in close contact with the Zurich to St Gallen communities and I live in Bavaria. The Bavarians aren't resistant to immigration either, in fact its an extremely welcoming place. Arrogant and rude in their intrinsic way yes, but very open. Business always comes first. They sure as hell aint doing much fleeing to the Tyrol either!
You need to do some first hand research old boy and not believe everything you read on the internet.
XJ Flyer said:
It probably is for anyone who is making loads of money out of the cheap labour costs provided by the over supplied labour market and who lives in an area isulated from high immigration numbers.Like Cameron's constituency amongst others for example.
DO you notice how literally nobody takes any notice of what you say?Even pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
Guam said:
blindswelledrat said:
DO you notice how literally nobody takes any notice of what you say?
Even pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
^^^^ ThisEven pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
FiF said:
Guam said:
blindswelledrat said:
DO you notice how literally nobody takes any notice of what you say?
Even pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
^^^^ ThisEven pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
brenflys777 said:
FiF said:
Guam said:
blindswelledrat said:
DO you notice how literally nobody takes any notice of what you say?
Even pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
^^^^ ThisEven pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
As so often on PH you heard it here first.
Fast rewind to 2010 or so and the coalition deciding to make the increase in student fees.
I posted on here that this could mean the death knell for Clegg in 2015 as words on campus suggested a campaign to get students to register to vote and kick him out.
At the time thought why not stick my money where my gob is so, not being a betting man with two trips to Vegas and only bet a total of two bucks, toddled off to a handy betting shop and put a tenner on Clegg to lose. Surprised bookie gave me 99/1, no idea if they were good odds, don't really understand betting, it's just for the giggles.
Anyway fast forward to this academic year and with the change to the rules on voter registration the uni has integrated student registration with the local electoral registration system. Hallam hasn't followed suit sadly.
The Independent muses this might cause Clegg a bit of a problem taking into account the collapse in LD support. It won't help UKIP obviously as students support them hardly at all though it's still 7%.
Labour will be the beneficiary probably but it certainly hinges on what the 2010GE Tory voters do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-...
Fast rewind to 2010 or so and the coalition deciding to make the increase in student fees.
I posted on here that this could mean the death knell for Clegg in 2015 as words on campus suggested a campaign to get students to register to vote and kick him out.
At the time thought why not stick my money where my gob is so, not being a betting man with two trips to Vegas and only bet a total of two bucks, toddled off to a handy betting shop and put a tenner on Clegg to lose. Surprised bookie gave me 99/1, no idea if they were good odds, don't really understand betting, it's just for the giggles.
Anyway fast forward to this academic year and with the change to the rules on voter registration the uni has integrated student registration with the local electoral registration system. Hallam hasn't followed suit sadly.
The Independent muses this might cause Clegg a bit of a problem taking into account the collapse in LD support. It won't help UKIP obviously as students support them hardly at all though it's still 7%.
Labour will be the beneficiary probably but it certainly hinges on what the 2010GE Tory voters do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-...
brenflys777 said:
FiF said:
Guam said:
blindswelledrat said:
DO you notice how literally nobody takes any notice of what you say?
Even pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
^^^^ ThisEven pro-ukipers and fellow anti-immigration people completely ignore you and feel slightly awkward that they are associated with you by opinion?
You are a twisted, bitter,communist racist and the presence of people like you make open discussion on things like this impossible to do without the whole argument appearing racist. If you genuinely want immigration to lessen the best thing you could possibly do is keep your views to yourself so you don't taint the people with more coherent thought processes.
Obviously, there are gaps in the correlation data around the full-moon phase, when he's outside howling at the sky rather than inside barking on PH.
Weather some of you like it or not, the open borders, cheap labour, illegal immigrants, monies pouring into europe at an almost what seems like unstoppable rate and the spineless politicians who seem to be powerless to do anything about it has made many of the British public say enough is enough.
The only way forward is to to take the powers away from Europe and put the reins firmly back in the hands of this Country.
and for that reason the only party I see out there willing to do this currently is UKIP.
From a Personal Point of View and living South of london, I have seen a massive influx of european workers, from road gangs washing cars, many, many eastern europeans working in the service industry, Pub staff, Bouncers, Thousands of Eastern european lorries clogging up our roads, Calling cards posted through my door advertising Polish Builders, neighbours have used them due to cheap prices, I have worked for a Landlord to find up to 6 or seven Blokes all sleeping on mattresses inside a 2 bed rented flat, I've seen Gas meters disconnected and Push fit plastic pipe run across the floors to the Boiler, which breaks Just about every rule in the book, my local builders merchants employs many of these European workers. Watch any of the Police camera action programs, Guess what, yep more eastern europeans, from shoplifting gangs, prostitution, illegal tobacco smuggling, whiplash injury claims, the list goes on.
Unworkable? Personally I would like to see Every Lorry searched fully at the docks before entering the UK I don't care if it means I will have to wait an extra month for that product I ordered on ebay or Amazon.
Anyone caught on these lorries goes straight back to where they came from, (that day) Not to be kept here in detention centres while they claim asylum or seek to get married in some scam.
I'm a self employed business man, I pay my taxes, Have public liability insurance, Pay out for wear and tear on my power tools,run my Van, pay my house bills, but I have seen my work dry up because people want work done for a much cheaper price.
When I see large building projects taking place, Olympic Village (as an example) We hear time and time again that we need these Skilled workers form abroad because we don't have them, Sorry this is a load of b
ks, they are out there but the difference is the Building companies would rather employ foreign workers as they cost less. its that simple.
Don't get me wrong, there are a right load of benefit scroungers that were born here in the UK and the sooner the Benefit system is cut back the better. these people need a reality check and need to get a Job. (It would be one less that an Eastern European worker could take) but if you paying out benefits which are more than the money you can earn in a job something is very wrong!
Just my Views
The only way forward is to to take the powers away from Europe and put the reins firmly back in the hands of this Country.
and for that reason the only party I see out there willing to do this currently is UKIP.
From a Personal Point of View and living South of london, I have seen a massive influx of european workers, from road gangs washing cars, many, many eastern europeans working in the service industry, Pub staff, Bouncers, Thousands of Eastern european lorries clogging up our roads, Calling cards posted through my door advertising Polish Builders, neighbours have used them due to cheap prices, I have worked for a Landlord to find up to 6 or seven Blokes all sleeping on mattresses inside a 2 bed rented flat, I've seen Gas meters disconnected and Push fit plastic pipe run across the floors to the Boiler, which breaks Just about every rule in the book, my local builders merchants employs many of these European workers. Watch any of the Police camera action programs, Guess what, yep more eastern europeans, from shoplifting gangs, prostitution, illegal tobacco smuggling, whiplash injury claims, the list goes on.
Unworkable? Personally I would like to see Every Lorry searched fully at the docks before entering the UK I don't care if it means I will have to wait an extra month for that product I ordered on ebay or Amazon.
Anyone caught on these lorries goes straight back to where they came from, (that day) Not to be kept here in detention centres while they claim asylum or seek to get married in some scam.
I'm a self employed business man, I pay my taxes, Have public liability insurance, Pay out for wear and tear on my power tools,run my Van, pay my house bills, but I have seen my work dry up because people want work done for a much cheaper price.
When I see large building projects taking place, Olympic Village (as an example) We hear time and time again that we need these Skilled workers form abroad because we don't have them, Sorry this is a load of b
ks, they are out there but the difference is the Building companies would rather employ foreign workers as they cost less. its that simple.Don't get me wrong, there are a right load of benefit scroungers that were born here in the UK and the sooner the Benefit system is cut back the better. these people need a reality check and need to get a Job. (It would be one less that an Eastern European worker could take) but if you paying out benefits which are more than the money you can earn in a job something is very wrong!
Just my Views
Edited by fatboy18 on Monday 1st December 11:59
Your views are spot on Fatboy!
I am utterly sick and tired of hearing from those we entrust with this Nation's well being that unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is beneficial to the UK. This has been boiling up for ages. Two close friends/associates I've known for decades, one from Poland and the other from the Caribbean, both insist immigration has got completely out of hand in the UK.
Nigel "Tell it like it is" Farage has zero chance of getting into No. 10. The CON-LAB-LIB establishment will ensure that. However, God Speed to him with his messages which at least has shaken up those same individuals we entrust to think again, and think hard again. Just maybe something beneficial will come of it. Otherwise, things will only get worse, far worse.
I shall be changing my voting "habits" of a lifetime come May next year. I am far from alone even within my circle of friends and relatives who have always voted .......
I am utterly sick and tired of hearing from those we entrust with this Nation's well being that unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is beneficial to the UK. This has been boiling up for ages. Two close friends/associates I've known for decades, one from Poland and the other from the Caribbean, both insist immigration has got completely out of hand in the UK.
Nigel "Tell it like it is" Farage has zero chance of getting into No. 10. The CON-LAB-LIB establishment will ensure that. However, God Speed to him with his messages which at least has shaken up those same individuals we entrust to think again, and think hard again. Just maybe something beneficial will come of it. Otherwise, things will only get worse, far worse.
I shall be changing my voting "habits" of a lifetime come May next year. I am far from alone even within my circle of friends and relatives who have always voted .......
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