UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

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Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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MitchT said:
Failing to see the issue here.

Of course it's natural and normal, but so is masturbation, defecation and sexual intercourse. Having the common sense to not slap your breast on the table a few feet from others who are eating isn't exactly controversial.

Edited by Art0ir on Friday 5th December 13:35

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Farage and Russell Brand both on question time next week!


zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Can't stand mirage. Even so, this is just sooooo non-news. If he'd have said it was fine to breastfeed in front of others then that would no doubt have been put across in a controversial way.
A deliberate no win question, to some extent.

jogon

2,971 posts

157 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Art0ir said:
MitchT said:
Failing to see the issue here.

Of course it's natural and normal, but so is masturbation, defecation and sexual intercourse. Having the common sense to not also you breast on the table a few feet from others who are eating isn't exactly controversial.
Crazy innit front page of BBC website too and no doubt every newspaper tomorrow.

Meanwhile a Tory MP has been arrested for rape.

King Cnut

256 posts

112 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Art0ir said:
Failing to see the issue here.

Of course it's natural and normal, but so is masturbation, defecation and sexual intercourse. Having the common sense to not also you breast on the table a few feet from others who are eating isn't exactly controversial.
I often witness adults failing to wash their hands after using toilets, picking their noses, eating with their mouths open and using the wrong spoon in restaurants. Shouldn't these people also be obliged to sit in the corner?

Or are you saying that there's something about breast feeding that's intrinsically worse, more offensive and/or unhygienic than the above?

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
I often witness adults failing to wash their hands after using toilets, picking their noses[b], eating with their mouths open and using the wrong spoon in restaurants. [B]Shouldn't these people also be obliged to sit in the corner?
Yes.

But that's also beside the point. You don't have to agree with the restaurants decision to understand that a bit of common sense is required, or at least expected in social situations.

There's a fair degree of militancy surrounding issues like this when everyone could be fairly harmonious if only for just a bit of common sense.

King Cnut

256 posts

112 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Art0ir said:
Yes.

But that's also beside the point. You don't have to agree with the restaurants decision to understand that a bit of common sense is required, or at least expected in social situations.

There's a fair degree of militancy surrounding issues like this when everyone could be fairly harmonious if only for just a bit of common sense.
No, I really don't understand why it's 'common sense' to discourage discrete breast feeding in public. You seem to be under the illusion that it's in some way offensive, when it isn't. The women doing it aren't being 'militant' - if they were, they'd be doing it stood on the table, stripped to the waist and singing 'We shall overcome'. They usually do it very discretely and, in return, expect you to mind your own business. Or would you prefer them to ignore the baby and let it cry?

The 'harmonious' thing to do when somebody breast feeds on another table is to ignore it because it's got bugger all to do with you. What gives you the god given right to tell them to sit in a corner?

Timsta

2,779 posts

245 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
What gives you the god given right to tell them to sit in a corner?
Nobody gives him the right. However, I do believe the restaurant have the right.

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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jogon said:
Crazy innit front page of BBC website too and no doubt every newspaper tomorrow.

Meanwhile a Tory MP has been arrested for rape.
BBC have now opened up the story for comments. All the top rated support Farage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30342953

King Cnut

256 posts

112 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Timsta said:
Nobody gives him the right. However, I do believe the restaurant have the right.
Sure, the management reserves the right etc. And it's been wonderful publicity for Claridges, hasn't it? Not. I wonder how many people thought "I must go there in order to avoid the negligible risk of seeing a breastfeeding woman" compared to the number of women who thought "I'm never going to give my hard earned cash to Claridges"? Talk about home goals.

The significant point is that UKIP spout off about representing things like 'freedom from health and safety gone mad' and 'the nanny state' (pun intended). Yet here they are again, wanting to interfere with the freedoms of perfectly innocent people going about their normal business. Claiming to be a libertarian but wishing to curtail the freedom of others is a double standard.

Once again Farage shows that he's far from likeable and on the side of the man or woman in the street. He wants to take us all back to the 'shut up and do as you're told' deference of 50's.

JBF50

28 posts

114 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
Sure, the management reserves the right etc. And it's been wonderful publicity for Claridges, hasn't it? Not. I wonder how many people thought "I must go there in order to avoid the negligible risk of seeing a breastfeeding woman" compared to the number of women who thought "I'm never going to give my hard earned cash to Claridges"? Talk about home goals.

The significant point is that UKIP spout off about representing things like 'freedom from health and safety gone mad' and 'the nanny state' (pun intended). Yet here they are again, wanting to interfere with the freedoms of perfectly innocent people going about their normal business. Claiming to be a libertarian but wishing to curtail the freedom of others is a double standard.

Once again Farage shows that he's far from likeable and on the side of the man or woman in the street. He wants to take us all back to the 'shut up and do as you're told' deference of 50's.
Very true but let the silly keep at it, today he has just alienated Millions of women from his obnoxious party, I see most of the comments defending him on the BBC are from men smile

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
Timsta said:
Nobody gives him the right. However, I do believe the restaurant have the right.
Sure, the management reserves the right etc. And it's been wonderful publicity for Claridges, hasn't it? Not. I wonder how many people thought "I must go there in order to avoid the negligible risk of seeing a breastfeeding woman" compared to the number of women who thought "I'm never going to give my hard earned cash to Claridges"? Talk about home goals.

The significant point is that UKIP spout off about representing things like 'freedom from health and safety gone mad' and 'the nanny state' (pun intended). Yet here they are again, wanting to interfere with the freedoms of perfectly innocent people going about their normal business. Claiming to be a libertarian but wishing to curtail the freedom of others is a double standard.

Once again Farage shows that he's far from likeable and on the side of the man or woman in the street. He wants to take us all back to the 'shut up and do as you're told' deference of 50's.
Such nonsense. How about the right of a privately owned business to set the standards they like? If people don't agree with them, then they have the right not give them their custom. Farage hasn't told anyone that they should sit in a corner (in fact he said he has no problem personally), he's just said that (as in all parts of life) people should be considerate of other people.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
Art0ir said:
Yes.

But that's also beside the point. You don't have to agree with the restaurants decision to understand that a bit of common sense is required, or at least expected in social situations.

There's a fair degree of militancy surrounding issues like this when everyone could be fairly harmonious if only for just a bit of common sense.
No, I really don't understand why it's 'common sense' to discourage discrete breast feeding in public. You seem to be under the illusion that it's in some way offensive, when it isn't. The women doing it aren't being 'militant' - if they were, they'd be doing it stood on the table, stripped to the waist and singing 'We shall overcome'. They usually do it very discretely and, in return, expect you to mind your own business. Or would you prefer them to ignore the baby and let it cry?

The 'harmonious' thing to do when somebody breast feeds on another table is to ignore it because it's got bugger all to do with you. What gives you the god given right to tell them to sit in a corner?
Sigh. Another name to add to the "Do not attempt rational debate with" list.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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JBF50 said:
King said:
Sure, the management reserves the right etc. And it's been wonderful publicity for Claridges, hasn't it? Not. I wonder how many people thought "I must go there in order to avoid the negligible risk of seeing a breastfeeding woman" compared to the number of women who thought "I'm never going to give my hard earned cash to Claridges"? Talk about home goals.

The significant point is that UKIP spout off about representing things like 'freedom from health and safety gone mad' and 'the nanny state' (pun intended). Yet here they are again, wanting to interfere with the freedoms of perfectly innocent people going about their normal business. Claiming to be a libertarian but wishing to curtail the freedom of others is a double standard.

Once again Farage shows that he's far from likeable and on the side of the man or woman in the street. He wants to take us all back to the 'shut up and do as you're told' deference of 50's.
Very true but let the silly keep at it, today he has just alienated Millions of women from his obnoxious party, I see most of the comments defending him on the BBC are from men smile
are you two for real?

Honestly?

how anybody can get so vexed about such a non-story is laughable.

you rate a politician on his attitude about how a private restaurant manages itself?

FFS you must lead very sad lives...

As said, tory MP arrested on rape allegations, not a squeak from you?

is breastfeeding a more urgent woman's issue than rape?


s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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King said:
Sure, the management reserves the right etc. And it's been wonderful publicity for Claridges, hasn't it? Not. I wonder how many people thought "I must go there in order to avoid the negligible risk of seeing a breastfeeding woman" compared to the number of women who thought "I'm never going to give my hard earned cash to Claridges"? Talk about home goals.

The significant point is that UKIP spout off about representing things like 'freedom from health and safety gone mad' and 'the nanny state' (pun intended). Yet here they are again, wanting to interfere with the freedoms of perfectly innocent people going about their normal business. Claiming to be a libertarian but wishing to curtail the freedom of others is a double standard.

Once again Farage shows that he's far from likeable and on the side of the man or woman in the street. He wants to take us all back to the 'shut up and do as you're told' deference of 50's.
You appear to have a severe comprehension problem. It might help you if you re-read and find the bit of Farage's quote where he states he wants to interfere with someones freedoms. Please cost it up, it might be illuminating.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Farage et al have to be more astute at spotting the between a rock and a hard place obvious baiting is obvious question and just give a non committal answer.

Yes it's a cop out in some respects but after he'd said it's a matter for Claridges and he doesn't have a problem generally then leave it there even when pushed.

Unfortunately it results in vanilla politicians somewhat but as mentioned above whatever the response one way or another the words will be twisted. Perhaps the haters are just going to hate for lack of opinion.

But in essence fights need to be picked because there are a lot of unpleasant onanists out there, and on here as it happens, just spoiling for a fight.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I actually think he made a very good point, just lost in the noise..

it's up to each individual buisness how they deal with stuff like this.

ie, we don't want a nanny state dictating everything.

I note some wag quoted a EU directive on the subject - that pretty much sums it up.

if the lefty tossers want to have restaurants that encourage rampant breast feeding, let them open up such establishments and see how long they stay in business for.


Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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FiF said:
Farage et al have to be more astute at spotting the between a rock and a hard place obvious baiting is obvious question and just give a non committal answer.

Yes it's a cop out in some respects but after he'd said it's a matter for Claridges and he doesn't have a problem generally then leave it there even when pushed.

Unfortunately it results in vanilla politicians somewhat but as mentioned above whatever the response one way or another the words will be twisted. Perhaps the haters are just going to hate for lack of opinion.

But in essence fights need to be picked because there are a lot of unpleasant onanists out there, and on here as it happens, just spoiling for a fight.
I agree with you pretty much. The only thing is, when Farage manages to find something that is both un-PC and also just plain common sense, it is real publicity dynamite. I wonder if it's deliberate. Maybe it's just plain speaking of what the silent majority are really thinking.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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FiF said:
Farage et al have to be more astute at spotting the between a rock and a hard place obvious baiting is obvious question and just give a non committal answer.

Yes it's a cop out in some respects but after he'd said it's a matter for Claridges and he doesn't have a problem generally then leave it there even when pushed.

Unfortunately it results in vanilla politicians somewhat but as mentioned above whatever the response one way or another the words will be twisted. Perhaps the haters are just going to hate for lack of opinion.

But in essence fights need to be picked because there are a lot of unpleasant onanists out there, and on here as it happens, just spoiling for a fight.
Couldn't agree more - a good politician has a keen control over what leaves his mouth. Farage doesn't.

Besides, he's completely all over the place on this question. He says he wants to ban the burka, then complains that women don't cover up enough! He needs to get a focus group together to help him marshal his thoughts...

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Well yes agreed, he gave the idiots a [not racist] to work away at by stating an opinion re away in a corner.

Where people on the previous page get the notion that this is evidence of wanting to control every minute bit of citizens' lives is just risible.

Haters will hate regardless. Whatever the expressed position. No time for them. They have zero objectivity.

Even the Greens have some good ideas. Likewise Labour / Cons / LibDems. It's best fit / least worst as always.
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