UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Esseesse]

Greg66 said:

Couldn't agree more - a good politician has a keen control over what leaves his mouth. Farage doesn't.

Besides, he's completely all over the place on this question. He says he wants to ban the burka, then complains that women don't cover up enough! He needs to get a focus group together to help him marshal his thoughts...

He's not all over the place, he's completely consistent. It is culturally the norm in the UK to not hide your face in public, it is also culturally normal to breastfeed in public discreetly. Our cultural norms seem reasonable to me.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

Couldn't agree more - a good politician has a keen control over what leaves his mouth. Farage doesn't.

Besides, he's completely all over the place on this question. He says he wants to ban the burka, then complains that women don't cover up enough! He needs to get a focus group together to help him marshal his thoughts...

are you for real?

so, by your thinking, it should be perfectly normal for people to walk around naked if they want to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

[anonymous-user]

How's that bait tastin', boys?


PS

Scuffers said:

so, by your thinking, it should be perfectly normal for people to walk around naked if they want to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

That comment makes literally no sense.

[jagnet]

Yazar said:

BBC have now opened up the story for comments. All the top rated support Farage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30342953

The BBC don't seem to have made so much of another part of that same interview regarding left wing bias and Farage stating that he'd like to substantially reduce the size of the BBC and the licence fee.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

How's that bait tastin', boys?


PS

Scuffers said:

so, by your thinking, it should be perfectly normal for people to walk around naked if they want to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

That comment makes literally no sense.

it does if you have half a brain...

you seem to be suggesting that it's not right to force people to cover up?

well, the ultimate extension of that is to walk about totally naked.

so, which is it for you?

(if your going to be a simpleton, let's have your policy on it!)

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

it does if you have half a brain...

Ah. Now I understand why you think it makes sense.

Scuffers said:

you seem to be suggesting that it's not right to force people to cover up?

Nope. Not even close. The point was about F-a-r-a-g-e (perhaps you've heard of him). On the one hand wanting some women to uncover, and on the other wanting other women to cover up. Perhaps one day he will disclose his Goldilocks level of appropriate coverage for the fairer sex.

And we'll pass over the fact that your statement isn't actually a question, because we've got this gem instead:

Scuffers said:

(if your going to be a simpleton, let's have your policy on it!)

Nice one. Very impressive. How do you think that went for you?

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

Nope. Not even close. The point was about F-a-r-a-g-e (perhaps you've heard of him). On the one hand wanting some women to uncover, and on the other wanting other women to cover up. Perhaps one day he will disclose his Goldilocks level of appropriate coverage for the fairer sex.

here we go again!

OK, remind us again exactly what NF said and what exactly was so wrong about it?


seems to me you are just being the same predictable simpleton that most of the MSM are.

[King Cnut]

Art0ir said:

Sigh. Another name to add to the "Do not attempt rational debate with" list.

Sigh. Another one unable to argue substantive points resorting to ad hominem insults.

You're on my 'continue to point out his weak arguments' list.

Farage said:

"I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No."

Which doesn't even make sense. Like not having his cake and not eating it either.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

here we go again!

OK, remind us again exactly what NF said and what exactly was so wrong about it?


seems to me you are just being the same predictable simpleton that most of the MSM are.

Now, now, half-a-brain. Calm down.

St Nigel has been busy rowing back today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30342953:

"Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want," he said. "If the establishment in question, in this case Claridge's, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be.

"I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No."


A-ha. So it's ok for a private establishment to ask a breast feeding woman to sit in the corner.

And he thinks it's OK for the woman to refuse.

Well, at least that should please everyone. Or no one.

The reality is that he's got himself into a frightful muddle over what is really a completely inconsequential non-story, precisely because, as I said earlier, he does not have a keen control over what leaves his mouth. You might consider that a strength of his. I consider it marks him out as something of a clown.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

The reality is that he's got himself into a frightful muddle over what is really a completely inconsequential non-story, precisely because, as I said earlier, he does not have a keen control over what leaves his mouth. You might consider that a strength of his. I consider it marks him out as something of a clown.

right, so what he actually said is OK then?

(in my books I really don't see a problem with what he said, even if you try and misunderstand it)

was I interpret his comments is it's a free country and people are free to make their own decisions without having to have our politicians make rules for such things.

If the establishment owners wish to have a policy on this, then that's up to them, if customers don't like it, they are not forced to enter said premises (how is this any different from places that enforce dress codes?)


you seem to be intent on being offended?

hence my feeling you're a simpleton.

[King Cnut]

Esseesse said:

He's not all over the place, he's completely consistent. It is culturally the norm in the UK to not hide your face in public, it is also culturally normal to breastfeed in public discreetly. Our cultural norms seem reasonable to me.

Are you saying the woman in question was being indiscreet? Seriously, have you seen the pictures? There was nothing to see, she'd have been barely noticeable until Claridges told her to cover herself up with a tablecloth - at which point everyone in the room probably started staring at her.

Please do not look at the following images if you are likely to be offended, they feature a disgracefully crumpled pullover!

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/20...

Farage fell for a leading question hook line and sinker and has come out of it looking foolish.

[King Cnut]

Scuffers said:

Greg66 said:

The reality is that he's got himself into a frightful muddle over what is really a completely inconsequential non-story, precisely because, as I said earlier, he does not have a keen control over what leaves his mouth. You might consider that a strength of his. I consider it marks him out as something of a clown.

right, so what he actually said is OK then?

(in my books I really don't see a problem with what he said, even if you try and misunderstand it)

was I interpret his comments is it's a free country and people are free to make their own decisions without having to have our politicians make rules for such things.

If the establishment owners wish to have a policy on this, then that's up to them, if customers don't like it, they are not forced to enter said premises (how is this any different from places that enforce dress codes?)


you seem to be intent on being offended?

hence my feeling you're a simpleton.

You are a gift that keeps on giving.

Are you sure the Lib/Lab/Con conspiracy aren't paying you?

"in my books I really don't see a problem with what he said, even if you try and misunderstand it"

Priceless.

[s2art]

King said:

Are you saying the woman in question was being indiscreet? Seriously, have you seen the pictures? There was nothing to see, she'd have been barely noticeable until Claridges told her to cover herself up with a tablecloth - at which point everyone in the room probably started staring at her.

Please do not look at the following images if you are likely to be offended, they feature a disgracefully crumpled pullover!

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/20...

Farage fell for a leading question hook line and sinker and has come out of it looking foolish.

Looking foolish to who? Almost everybody agrees with Farage, its only the hard of thinking and the professionally outraged that seem to find anything wrong with what he said.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

right, so what he actually said is OK then?

(in my books I really don't see a problem with what he said, even if you try and misunderstand it)

was I interpret his comments is it's a free country and people are free to make their own decisions without having to have our politicians make rules for such things.

If the establishment owners wish to have a policy on this, then that's up to them, if customers don't like it, they are not forced to enter said premises (how is this any different from places that enforce dress codes?)


you seem to be intent on being offended?

hence my feeling you're a simpleton.

To coin a phrase that I last heard used by my late father, you really are as dim as a Toch H lamp, aren't you?

I haven't said I'm offended.

What he actually said was stupid, as he appears to recognise now.

It's a shame you don't.

And I'm going to assume. in your favour, that the bit in bold is just careless thinking or careless expression on your part, because otherwise it's about two steps away from endorsing the "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish"-type signs of old outside certain establishments.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th December 21:33

[Mermaid]

Farag says what a lot of people are thinking, CMD etc say what they think people will like to vote them in.

[Scuffers]

Your seeing things again (nothing in bold)

Seems to me that your still talking crap.

.nf has not recounted the words, just had to repeat them from being miss quoted.

[steveT350C]

So yet again the anti-kippers, including the BBC and a lot of MSM, have to scrabble around and resort to using sliced up, edited quotes to create a negative UKIP stance rather than engaging in proper debates about real issues.

Business as usual.

[King Cnut]

s2art said:

Looking foolish to who? Almost everybody agrees with Farage, its only the hard of thinking and the professionally outraged that seem to find anything wrong with what he said.

No they don't.

Farage's statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, he contradicted himself. Anyone 'agreeing' with it clearly doesn't understand what he actually said.

I'm no more outraged than Gregg66, the whole thing is stupid, but it encapsulates Farage's weakness for shooting his mouth off with no thought for consequences. Have you ever seen a woman performing "ostentatious breast feeding" FFS. It'd be funny if he wasn't seeking political power.

And it's 'looking foolish to whom'.

[Scuffers]

it's still the 4th item on BBC news FFS!

well, no worries, apparently there's going to be a mass breast feeding protest outside Claridges tomorrow... (you can see it now what kind of people will be there)

[fatboy18]

Scuffers said:

it's still the 4th item on BBC news FFS!

well, no worries, apparently there's going to be a mass breast feeding protest outside Claridges tomorrow... (you can see it now what kind of people will be there)

Yea, just a bunch of TITs