UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[league67]

s2art said:

Gaspode said:

s2art said:

You have that back to front. If the UK is out, and all the EU businesses are subject to this type of stupidity, then UK businesses would be handed a huge competitive advantage. We would have more influence than now, due to the rest of the EU business community demanding that they dont get penalised while we escape.

Not if our online business want to sell into the EU.

Sure, but in our home market, which will be the biggest for these businesses, and outside the EU (growing by the day) they will gain advantage.

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

[brenflys777]

league67 said:

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

Nothing in the EU is priceless. It just looks that way as they can't get their accounts successfully audited

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

if your going to pick on Farage individually, you might just want to consider what his job as UKIP leader is, then compare his record with say, Cameron's record in the house here.

Maybe a slight difference between Farage's job, where he leads 24 MEPs and is responsible for, well not much; and Cameron's, where he runs the country

[Scuffers]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Maybe a slight difference between Farage's job, where he leads 24 MEPs and is responsible for, well not much; and Cameron's, where he runs the country

some would argue that point!

I think you will find that's the object of UKIP

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Can anyone explin one aspect of the UKIP policies that has been puzzling me. The policy states

UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office

SO no surprise that UKIP want to cut the foreign aid budget. But what is puzzling me is the focus. WHy those items? If I compare it to existing spending patterns, the key differences seem to me that currently a lot of aid goes on improving infrastructure and education in the countries we are helping.

Both of those seem reasonable uses of aid to me, to paraphrase the old adage that it is better to give someone a rod and teach them to fish then give them fish.

So why is UKIP excluding those elements of the existing foreign aid? Am I missing something?

Your misunderstanding it.

By target, they mean overseas air would target those things, not be used as bribery etc.

They have suggested this would legitimately be around £2Bn a year, thus saving ~£9Bn

That doesn't seem to answer my question. No-one is suggesting that cutting out bribery is not a good idea. By what is wrong with education and infrastructure building.

Someone else suggested that they are more prone to bribery. Is that true? ANything you can point to? I thought emergency food had a tendency to go missing most of all, whereas schools you can check up on more easily

[Scuffers]

JustAnotherLogin said:

That doesn't seem to answer my question. No-one is suggesting that cutting out bribery is not a good idea. By what is wrong with education and infrastructure building.

Someone else suggested that they are more prone to bribery. Is that true? ANything you can point to? I thought emergency food had a tendency to go missing most of all, whereas schools you can check up on more easily

can't find a link to it, but there was a report a few weeks ago about how all but some £2Bn was spent on stuff that could not be traced/audited.

for example, why are we still giving money to India? a country with it's own space programme FFS.

Traditionally, it's always been used to backhand stuff...

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Maybe a slight difference between Farage's job, where he leads 24 MEPs and is responsible for, well not much; and Cameron's, where he runs the country

some would argue that point!

I think you will find that's the object of UKIP

To run the country? Surely even you don't believe that?

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

Scuffers said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Maybe a slight difference between Farage's job, where he leads 24 MEPs and is responsible for, well not much; and Cameron's, where he runs the country

some would argue that point!

I think you will find that's the object of UKIP

To run the country? Surely even you don't believe that?

no, to get out of the EU so we can run our own country...

[XJ Flyer]

Yazar said:

TKF said:

How exactly is he representing his constituents by not going to the EU parliament to vote on issues like this?

Farage et al are voted in on a 'please get us out of the EU' ticket, not 'stay in europe and get the best deals'.

So with this in mind, how is his time better spent? voting on issues upon he has little influence on,

Or what he has chosen to do instead, nameley

- network with anti-eu/euro parties across Europe
- build up the UKIP media profile
- Bring awareness to the EU project.
- bring in massive donations

So on the ticket he was elected, his voters should be delighted

^ This.Everything else is a case of sour grapes by the LabLibdemCon supporters who want to assimilate UKIP into their Borg like federalist pro EU,pro immigration and other PC agendas.

As for 'delighted' not exactly when 1) Farage has shot himself in the foot by being a so called anti federalist in the case of the EU but a federalist in the case of the UK.

2) A half baked immigration policy which panders too much to that LabLibdemCon agenda more than those who want to see Farage as the new Powell.

3) An economic policy which seems to want to rightly get us out of the EU but then contradicts that by wanting to stay with the global free market economy which is effectively the same thing but just a larger mess.

[s2art]

league67 said:

s2art said:

Gaspode said:

s2art said:

You have that back to front. If the UK is out, and all the EU businesses are subject to this type of stupidity, then UK businesses would be handed a huge competitive advantage. We would have more influence than now, due to the rest of the EU business community demanding that they dont get penalised while we escape.

Not if our online business want to sell into the EU.

Sure, but in our home market, which will be the biggest for these businesses, and outside the EU (growing by the day) they will gain advantage.

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

Better than you do, obviously. I will put it as simply as possible for you; more red tape equals higher costs. Higher costs make for less competitiveness globally. Got it now?

[handpaper]

league67 said:

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

Do you understand the term 'barrier to entry'?
At the moment, for small businesses, trading only within the UK, it's quite low. No VAT registration helps immensely; VAT is a scary, complex thing to someone in a shed or spare room making a few widgets a week.
Apply the full VAT regime from the first pound of turnover, however, and a good few of those hobbyists and tinkerers won't bother.
This matters because "Great oaks from little acorns grow"; some of our most profitable and innovative companies started out as a bloke in a shed.

[JustAnotherLogin]

So part of the reason that the EU is being accused of throttling business is that
"Even businesses with turnovers in the low millions are saying they'll struggle to comply with the new regime – those using big names like Kickstarter, Lulu, Ravelry and Bandcamp have indicated they'll be negatively affected"

When all they are being asked to do is pay VAT.

Surely we should be happy that such companies are being picked up by this measure and forced to pay VAT? As well as Amazon etc.

If some small companies below the VAT threshold are picked up as well then that doesn't seem too big a deal. As has been said, for small businesses the flat rate scheme is simple, and while I doubt they would make a profit out of it as someonme else omn here said they do, it won't be too onerous.

[don4l]

The latest YouGov poll is out.
Lab 34%
Con 32%
UKIP 14%
Greens 8%
LD 6%

Two bits of excellent news in this poll.

UKIP seem to be in a secure 3rd position, while the LibDems behind the Green party.

[brenflys777]

don4l said:

The latest YouGov poll is out.
Lab 34%
Con 32%
UKIP 14%
Greens 8%
LD 6%

Two bits of excellent news in this poll.

UKIP seem to be in a secure 3rd position, while the LibDems behind the Green party.

Are UKIP (or the greens for that matter) still unprompted options? I seem to remember this added quite a few % to the poles when UKIP was a suggested option?

[XJ Flyer]

don4l said:

The latest YouGov poll is out.
Lab 34%
Con 32%
UKIP 14%
Greens 8%
LD 6%

Two bits of excellent news in this poll.

UKIP seem to be in a secure 3rd position, while the LibDems behind the Green party.

If push comes to shove in the new parliament the Greens,LD,Labour and the SNP are effectively all one alliance with Cameron being closer to that alliance than UKIP.In which case the country is fked.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

The latest YouGov poll is out.
Lab 34%
Con 32%
UKIP 14%
Greens 8%
LD 6%

Two bits of excellent news in this poll.

UKIP seem to be in a secure 3rd position, while the LibDems behind the Green party.

If you dig into the tabular data, you will find the question "If there was [sic] a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU, how would you vote?". The results are: in 40%, out 39%, would not vote 5%, don't know 16% (somewhat oddly, 2% of UKIP voters would vote to stay in, and 3% don't know!).

And if Cameron renegotiated terms, said we were protected and recommended staying in, 55% would vote to stay in with 24% voting to leave (UKIP voters: 13% would vote to stay in and 9% don't know). In fact, under this question, every demographic aside from UKIP voters would vote to stay in.

It seems that the appetite of the great British public is pro-EU, albeit on better terms than we have right now. The younger you go in the demographic, the less support there is for exit on any basis.

The future of UKIP looks to be a rather bleak dead end.

[anonymous-user]

This is a much more interesting, if mildly terrifying, page:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/12/15/tricky-politi...

Gott in Himmel! That site's a goldmine:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/12/12/ukip-now-most...

[steveT350C]

This is why I vote UKIP. Nice and simple; like me

[steveT350C]

If this was a UKIP councillor the BBC would have gone nuclear

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...

[anonymous-user]

Except that the arrow pointing from the small picture of Farage to the large picture of him should instead point to the left.