UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
s2art said:
These standards, electronics, automobile safety etc are set by supranational standards bodies, including the WTO. At the moment we only have the EU representative influencing them, i.e we only have approx 1 in 28th of a seat. Outside the EU we would have our own man at each of the tables. We have lost global influence by ceding our place to the EU.
I'm sorry but you're wrong-the WTO might set some standards but they do not set nearly as many or as stringently as the EU.For example-car emissions are set by Euro 6 governed by EU directives
ABS is mandated by the EU on new cars
Off highway vehicles (diggers etc) and industrial machinery is governed by the Machinery Directive
Overall it's the CE mark that is governed by EU directives, and hence a huge number of of manufactured products have to comply to EU mandated directives.
The UK manufacturing industry would probably be more in thrall to the EU after a leave because to sell into the EU it would still have to comply to their standards but would have no say over them at all!
zygalski said:
How many councillors & party members does Labour have in comparison to UKIP?
As far as scandal to member ratio goes UKIP is far, far ahead of everyone else.
You're just making yourself look daft tbh. And more so with each weekly UKIP scandal & sacked member...
What are the figures you've based that on? is it just your perception based on your opinion of ukip and the media coverage or is it backed up with evidence?As far as scandal to member ratio goes UKIP is far, far ahead of everyone else.
You're just making yourself look daft tbh. And more so with each weekly UKIP scandal & sacked member...
It sounds a bit daft but it's a bold accusation you've made, if you can evidence it I'd take your point more seriously.
Edited by brenflys777 on Monday 22 December 07:59
cookie118 said:
s2art said:
These standards, electronics, automobile safety etc are set by supranational standards bodies, including the WTO. At the moment we only have the EU representative influencing them, i.e we only have approx 1 in 28th of a seat. Outside the EU we would have our own man at each of the tables. We have lost global influence by ceding our place to the EU.
I'm sorry but you're wrong-the WTO might set some standards but they do not set nearly as many or as stringently as the EU.For example-car emissions are set by Euro 6 governed by EU directives
ABS is mandated by the EU on new cars
Off highway vehicles (diggers etc) and industrial machinery is governed by the Machinery Directive
Overall it's the CE mark that is governed by EU directives, and hence a huge number of of manufactured products have to comply to EU mandated directives.
The UK manufacturing industry would probably be more in thrall to the EU after a leave because to sell into the EU it would still have to comply to their standards but would have no say over them at all!
The car emission standards were actually set in the UK originally, these there then adopted as part of EU homologation etc hence the birth of EU2.
the whole homologation thing is generally a good thing, in that it make manufacturers lives easier not having to make so many different versions for each country, what would happen before is some countries set odd standard to dissuade imports or just because their administrations have a point to make (california for example).
these days there are really only 3 main regions standards wise, EU, US and ROW, the US and EU regs are slowly converging, as manufacturers push harder for commonality.
from the UK government's perspective, they have next to nothing to do/say on the matter, those days are gone, it's really the manufacturers that are the voice here.
makes no odds if we are in or out of the EU, the manufacturers will do just the same.
A nice piece on Con home from Ashcroft. Largely he's agreeing with much of what many of us on here have been saying.
Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
powerstroke said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
For goodness sake XJ. How many more times are you going to keep repeating your delusional twaddle about the Tories being socialist. You have been called on it many times and it has been demonstrated several times that you are talking rubbish.
TBH I doubt the other kippers like being associated with your particular blend of tinfoil hattery
Yes but you have to admit there has been more than a little drift to the left under Cameron which lost them the last and most likely will lose them next year's election .TBH I doubt the other kippers like being associated with your particular blend of tinfoil hattery
FiF said:
A nice piece on Con home from Ashcroft. Largely he's agreeing with much of what many of us on here have been saying.
Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
Read down to the bit that said most Tory voters would rather not have a coalition with ukip preferring libs or greens insead !!!Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
Surely not !!!
zygalski said:
As an aside, between years 2008 - 2012, 27,725 Romanian nationals were arrested in the UK, only the Polish "scored" higher, this from a Romanian UK population at the time of less than one hundred thousand, compared to the UK Polish population which is/was around (but now over) the half a million mark.
http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2013/...
zygalski said:
Our economy is now doing reasonably well & it's set to be the 4th biggest in the world by 2030. All under the watch of EU membership. Let's not ruin things, eh?
With current rates of immigration, we will be the fourth most populuous country by 2030.So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
don4l said:
With current rates of immigration, we will be the fourth most populuous country by 2030.
So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
Considering we are currently 22nd and the difference between 22nd and 4th place is a substantial one hundred and ninety million, I doubt that somehow.So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
zygalski said:
Our economy is now doing reasonably well & it's set to be the 4th biggest in the world by 2030. All under the watch of EU membership. Let's not ruin things, eh?
What a twisted perspective. It's all happening or going to happen while being hogtied by EU membership, let's not settle for less than we're capable of.Nor is keeping company with the deluded a good thing for a country. In the small world of PH the right to reply to baseless pro-EU propaganda sometimes wins out though.
Frank Field warns that Labour and Cons will be broken up by immigration
Personally have a lot of time for Frank Field. He is warning that the two main parties just haven't twigged general public anger over immigration. Certainly today I saw a table which showed overwhelming public support in favour of ability to control which migrants the UK allows to settle. Relatives of existing migrants and low skill low education looking for work were very clearly not wanted. Source yougov.
Field's argument centres around the belief that many MPs are more in touch with their voters than central offices and will offer personal local pledges for tougher action. This is what he promises to do. He argues this will lead to splits and has a similar potential to create havoc as did the Corn Laws broke the Tory party in two.
Just to keep on topic he praises UKIP for breaking the power of political correctness over politics but warns that they must rise above the terms ordinary people use in a probable nod at chinkygate. He also suggests that the main harm to Cons has been done but Lab has more suffering to come at the hands of UKIP.
He, like me thinks that the real battle will be in 2020 when voters will judge how the parties have performed and dealt with recasting our relationship with the EU.
I've long thought this. Several years of an unpopular government, possibly a weak one not seen to be standing up for British interests and if, in particular, the metropolitan political see themselves as the elite don't change, then there is the potential for electoral havoc.
Personally have a lot of time for Frank Field. He is warning that the two main parties just haven't twigged general public anger over immigration. Certainly today I saw a table which showed overwhelming public support in favour of ability to control which migrants the UK allows to settle. Relatives of existing migrants and low skill low education looking for work were very clearly not wanted. Source yougov.
Field's argument centres around the belief that many MPs are more in touch with their voters than central offices and will offer personal local pledges for tougher action. This is what he promises to do. He argues this will lead to splits and has a similar potential to create havoc as did the Corn Laws broke the Tory party in two.
Just to keep on topic he praises UKIP for breaking the power of political correctness over politics but warns that they must rise above the terms ordinary people use in a probable nod at chinkygate. He also suggests that the main harm to Cons has been done but Lab has more suffering to come at the hands of UKIP.
He, like me thinks that the real battle will be in 2020 when voters will judge how the parties have performed and dealt with recasting our relationship with the EU.
I've long thought this. Several years of an unpopular government, possibly a weak one not seen to be standing up for British interests and if, in particular, the metropolitan political see themselves as the elite don't change, then there is the potential for electoral havoc.
powerstroke said:
FiF said:
A nice piece on Con home from Ashcroft. Largely he's agreeing with much of what many of us on here have been saying.
Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
Read down to the bit that said most Tory voters would rather not have a coalition with ukip preferring libs or greens insead !!!Eight things we learned from my polling in 2014
Surely not !!!
don4l said:
zygalski said:
Our economy is now doing reasonably well & it's set to be the 4th biggest in the world by 2030. All under the watch of EU membership. Let's not ruin things, eh?
With current rates of immigration, we will be the fourth most populuous country by 2030.So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
Seriously? No wonder the Kippers are in a froth about it if they think immigration is going to be 12M a year for the next 16 years
Rank Country Population
1. China 1,355,692,576
2. India 1,236,344,631
3. United States 318,892,103
4. Indonesia 253,609,643
22. United Kingdom 63,742,977
turbobloke said:
What a twisted perspective. It's all happening or going to happen while being hogtied by EU membership, let's not settle for less than we're capable of.
And of course, if the long term predictions for our economy were terrible you would in no way link that to EU membership 
Smoked kipper.
smn159 said:
don4l said:
zygalski said:
Our economy is now doing reasonably well & it's set to be the 4th biggest in the world by 2030. All under the watch of EU membership. Let's not ruin things, eh?
With current rates of immigration, we will be the fourth most populuous country by 2030.So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
Seriously? No wonder the Kippers are in a froth about it if they think immigration is going to be 12M a year for the next 16 years
Rank Country Population
1. China 1,355,692,576
2. India 1,236,344,631
3. United States 318,892,103
4. Indonesia 253,609,643
22. United Kingdom 63,742,977
Even if you eliminate all the oddball small places like Monaco, Gibraltar, Vatican City and the like and look at the biggest 100 populations we're still only in 15th place.
Not sure if serious.
smn159 said:
don4l said:
zygalski said:
Our economy is now doing reasonably well & it's set to be the 4th biggest in the world by 2030. All under the watch of EU membership. Let's not ruin things, eh?
With current rates of immigration, we will be the fourth most populuous country by 2030.So, it is natural that we will have the fourth biggest economy.
Seriously? No wonder the Kippers are in a froth about it if they think immigration is going to be 12M a year for the next 16 years
Rank Country Population
1. China 1,355,692,576
2. India 1,236,344,631
3. United States 318,892,103
4. Indonesia 253,609,643
22. United Kingdom 63,742,977
However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
don4l said:
I had only just woken up when I posted that.
However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France.... However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
Long may it continue!
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