UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
zygalski said:
don4l said:
I had only just woken up when I posted that.
However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France.... However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
Long may it continue!
JustAnotherLogin said:
zygalski said:
don4l said:
I had only just woken up when I posted that.
However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France.... However, with net immigration of 250,000 people a year, one can expect the economy to grow.
Long may it continue!
zygalski said:
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France....
Long may it continue!
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides. Long may it continue!
Mr_B said:
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides.
More like weed out the freeloading, benefit hogging, lazy indigenous population of "breeders".The EU immigrants aren't the real problem, you see. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope, old chap.
Mr_B said:
zygalski said:
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France....
Long may it continue!
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides. Long may it continue!
Better to ensure that immigrants can't claim benefits for x years and let busines (who know the skills they need at any one time) decide
zygalski said:
turbobloke said:
What a twisted perspective. It's all happening or going to happen while being hogtied by EU membership, let's not settle for less than we're capable of.
And of course, if the long term predictions for our economy were terrible you would in no way link that to EU membershipSo we hand over £8bn per year and get back a tatty tube of discount tyre sealant which we don't need as we're shackled to a line of dysfunctional vehicles being steered by deluded drivers at snail's pace and we've got more air in our tyres anyway - we should just refuse to pay for the tat, cut loose, speed up even more and leave the rest to do what they do best, crash.
zygalski said:
Smoked kipper.
Where? UKIP is smokin' at the moment which is presumably why some EUrophiles are concerned enough to be trotting out pro-EU spin, but I'm not a UKIP voter. Sweeping away bulls
t about the useless and costly EU chain around the UK's neck isn't restricted to UKIP supporters.brenflys777 said:
The Frank Field link that FiF posted picks up on how a dismissive attitude to people's concerns about immigration will just fuel UKIP support and lead to rifts for the cons/labour. The sneering attitude that Ken Clarke and Caroline Flint types have had to UKIP supporters just makes it easier to overlook the areas where UKIP have actual flaws.
I came on here and tried to discuss policies politely and without rancour. For my troubles I got insulted, subjected to ad hominem attacks, and generally attacked with very little attempt to respond in kind. Don41 was very prominent in those attacksSo when Don41 finally does attempt an evidence based answer and gets it wrong by a factor of 50, you will forgive me if my sympathy is not overflowing
zygalski said:
Mr_B said:
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides.
More like weed out the freeloading, benefit hogging, lazy indigenous population of "breeders".The EU immigrants aren't the real problem, you see. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope, old chap.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Mr_B said:
zygalski said:
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France....
Long may it continue!
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides. Long may it continue!
Better to ensure that immigrants can't claim benefits for x years and let busines (who know the skills they need at any one time) decide
Mr_B said:
So you couldn't see a single benefit in selecting those who come over than just standing back an watching ? More joined up Ziggy thinking on display.
Most are from Eastern Europe, come from comparatively humble backgrounds & are prepared to work long hours for low pay. A PH formmers dream come true in any other scenario....It's not all about nabbing the highest qualified heart surgeons from Romania to operate on our resident obese.
Mr_B said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Mr_B said:
zygalski said:
You should rejoice that our flourishing EU member economy seems so attractive to all those immigrants who could have decided to live in countries en route to ours, such as Italy, Germany, France....
Long may it continue!
Why not have the people we want, when we want, in the numbers we want and tell those we dont want a polite 'no thanks' ? I call that all the benefits and far fewer downsides. Long may it continue!
Better to ensure that immigrants can't claim benefits for x years and let busines (who know the skills they need at any one time) decide
No. In fact I proposed adding one more "safeguard" - no benefits for x years
zygalski said:
UK economy doing well on the world stage - tick
UK economy part of the European Union - tick
QED
QTO, quite the opposite, that 'logic' is so transparently flawed you shouldn't have wasted the pixels. You might as well say that Mercedes or McLaren are doing so well because they're in the same F1 group as Sauber, Caterham...and Marussia. UK economy part of the European Union - tick
QED
The UK is doing moderately well in spite of EU membership not because of it. If we were in 'ever closer union' e.g. as part of the EZ we would be as stuffed as the others, with not only no control over borders but no control over interest rates. Take a closer look at the large majority of dead fish in the EZ barrel.
Pro-EU spin may be spun but it's unravelled already.
Edited by turbobloke on Monday 22 December 11:27
Unfortunate choice of words there TB. Dead fish. :looks at common fisheries policy:
Speaking of that, turns out the much trumpeted end to the policy of discarding at sea catches outside quota has simply been replaced by the catch being landed in order to be discarded. Not to mention that the five largest boats hoovering up UK quota are all foreign and landing outside UK.
Fish stocks had to be signed over as common EU property. Just like shale gas will be.
Speaking of that, turns out the much trumpeted end to the policy of discarding at sea catches outside quota has simply been replaced by the catch being landed in order to be discarded. Not to mention that the five largest boats hoovering up UK quota are all foreign and landing outside UK.
Fish stocks had to be signed over as common EU property. Just like shale gas will be.
turbobloke said:
zygalski said:
UK economy doing well on the world stage - tick
UK economy part of the European Union - tick
QED
QTO, quite the opposite, that 'logic' is so transparently flawed you shouldn't have wasted the pixels. You might as well say that Mercedes or McLaren are doing so well because they're in the same F1 group as Sauber, Caterham...and Marussia. UK economy part of the European Union - tick
QED
The UK is doing moderately well in spite of EU membership not because of it. If we were in 'ever closer union' e.g. as part of the EZ we would be as stuffed as the others, with not only no control over borders but no control over interest rates. Take a closer look at the large majority of dead fish in the EZ barrel.
Pro-EU spin may be spun but it's unravelled already.
Edited by turbobloke on Monday 22 December 11:27
However, whether or not the the rest of the EU is doing well, we gain by our free trade with them.
Hopefully, the long discussed agreement to create a free trade area including the EU and the US will happen before long and we will gain further.
zygalski said:
turbobloke said:
The UK is doing moderately well in spite of EU membership not because of it.
That is the basis of your point. That is all you have?Why anyone would want to pay £8bn per year to swim with sick fish in a barrel built by sharks can only be due to ideological blinkers seeing the EU failed experiment as something worth paying through the nose for just to get a share of the failure.
Such blinkered pro-EU sentiment is reminiscent of USSR comrades recognising themselves in a painting of Adam and Eve because they have few clothes and very little food but believe they're living in paradise because that's what they're told.
That's in spite of being hogtied by EU red tape / directives / the waste of £8bn per year, not because of it.
Being deep in the EZ EU-orifice does a country the world of good
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