UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
JustAnotherLogin said:
mehFiF said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
meh"He cannot expect young people to engage in politics and then criticise what they say when they do." Yes, he can. Being open to feedback including satire works both ways. If what a person says publicly in a speech or an app is naive, uninformed and essentially a weak attempt at stereotyping then it lays itself open to criticism, the mere fact that this type of thing is more likely to emanate from the 'wisdom of youth' is irrelevant. Moreover, the name Fromage is a bit cheesy.
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
meh"He cannot expect young people to engage in politics and then criticise what they say when they do." Yes, he can. Being open to feedback including satire works both ways. If what a person says publicly in a speech or an app is naive, uninformed and essentially a weak attempt at stereotyping then it lays itself open to criticism, the mere fact that this type of thing is more likely to emanate from the 'wisdom of youth' is irrelevant. Moreover, the name Fromage is a bit cheesy.
It would be interesting, in a fly on the wall sort of way, to know what influence / input the teaching staff have had on this.
turbobloke said:
Prejudice and jingoistic nonsense in a single dose of dreck from Rompuy.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-chief-bloc-will-surviv...
All he's saying is that without France the "European" idea would be dead. Being as how France and Germany are the glue that binds this idea together thats not so far from the truth.http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-chief-bloc-will-surviv...
zygalski said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Yes, we need those immigrants bring essential skills of which we are short - like the ability to do basic maths - say to the nearest order of magnitude, even at 9 in the morning
The Eastern European work ethic makes a refreshing change. 
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
It would be interesting, in a fly on the wall sort of way, to know what influence / input the teaching staff have had on this.
You couldn't possibly be suggesting that all those elbow patches are on the left side from leaning that way so often. Then again...Edited by FredClogs on Monday 22 December 17:02
turbobloke said:
zygalski said:
I am not prepared to roll the dice on our economy based on prejudice & jingoism.
In which case you'll be voting 'OUT'.PS add corruption, incompetence and post-marxist delusion to the list.
k us up list
zygalski said:
powerstroke said:
Oh here we go another capitalist pig drunk on cheap labour
Let's face it - since the industrial revolution cheap (often imported) labour is what has put the Great into Great Britain.I assume you support an increase in the minimum wage?
A win win !!!
zygalski said:
Let's face it - since the industrial revolution cheap (often imported) labour is what has put the Great into Great Britain.
I assume you support an increase in the minimum wage?
Sorry, but that is nonsense. What put the Great into Great Britain was the scientific and industrial revolution. It was the huge increase in productivity that came with steam and stuff like the power loom. There were people all over the world earning a lot less than the British workers, and having their livelyhoods threatened by cheap industrially made goods.I assume you support an increase in the minimum wage?
Scuffers said:
if we are going to go on about EU standards, at least understand how they work.
The car emission standards were actually set in the UK originally, these there then adopted as part of EU homologation etc hence the birth of EU2.
the whole homologation thing is generally a good thing, in that it make manufacturers lives easier not having to make so many different versions for each country, what would happen before is some countries set odd standard to dissuade imports or just because their administrations have a point to make (california for example).
these days there are really only 3 main regions standards wise, EU, US and ROW, the US and EU regs are slowly converging, as manufacturers push harder for commonality.
from the UK government's perspective, they have next to nothing to do/say on the matter, those days are gone, it's really the manufacturers that are the voice here.
makes no odds if we are in or out of the EU, the manufacturers will do just the same.
That is what I understand about the standards and how they work.The car emission standards were actually set in the UK originally, these there then adopted as part of EU homologation etc hence the birth of EU2.
the whole homologation thing is generally a good thing, in that it make manufacturers lives easier not having to make so many different versions for each country, what would happen before is some countries set odd standard to dissuade imports or just because their administrations have a point to make (california for example).
these days there are really only 3 main regions standards wise, EU, US and ROW, the US and EU regs are slowly converging, as manufacturers push harder for commonality.
from the UK government's perspective, they have next to nothing to do/say on the matter, those days are gone, it's really the manufacturers that are the voice here.
makes no odds if we are in or out of the EU, the manufacturers will do just the same.
My point is that the UK manufacturers will no longer get a voice in the decisions made if the Uk leaves the EU. They will have to comply to rules created using the voice of their european competitors.
cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
if we are going to go on about EU standards, at least understand how they work.
The car emission standards were actually set in the UK originally, these there then adopted as part of EU homologation etc hence the birth of EU2.
the whole homologation thing is generally a good thing, in that it make manufacturers lives easier not having to make so many different versions for each country, what would happen before is some countries set odd standard to dissuade imports or just because their administrations have a point to make (california for example).
these days there are really only 3 main regions standards wise, EU, US and ROW, the US and EU regs are slowly converging, as manufacturers push harder for commonality.
from the UK government's perspective, they have next to nothing to do/say on the matter, those days are gone, it's really the manufacturers that are the voice here.
makes no odds if we are in or out of the EU, the manufacturers will do just the same.
That is what I understand about the standards and how they work.The car emission standards were actually set in the UK originally, these there then adopted as part of EU homologation etc hence the birth of EU2.
the whole homologation thing is generally a good thing, in that it make manufacturers lives easier not having to make so many different versions for each country, what would happen before is some countries set odd standard to dissuade imports or just because their administrations have a point to make (california for example).
these days there are really only 3 main regions standards wise, EU, US and ROW, the US and EU regs are slowly converging, as manufacturers push harder for commonality.
from the UK government's perspective, they have next to nothing to do/say on the matter, those days are gone, it's really the manufacturers that are the voice here.
makes no odds if we are in or out of the EU, the manufacturers will do just the same.
My point is that the UK manufacturers will no longer get a voice in the decisions made if the Uk leaves the EU. They will have to comply to rules created using the voice of their european competitors.
s2art said:
Can you give an example where this would make any difference whatsoever? Many/most of the regulations are the EU implementing decisions made by supranational standards bodies. If the UK takes back its seat on said bodies then we have more influence.
exactlyand to be fair, makes little odds anyway, all manufacturers have to work to them anyway if they want to compete.
Cars are the wrong subject to pick on, the food industry is a way bigger problem, (think Shergar bugers etc).
then look at fishing, infact, just about all of agriculture.
s2art said:
Can you give an example where this would make any difference whatsoever? Many/most of the regulations are the EU implementing decisions made by supranational standards bodies. If the UK takes back its seat on said bodies then we have more influence.
This one?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24532284
You're a UK manufacturer of motor cars, you've begun investing in technologies to meet this leglislation and are aggressively pursuing them. In this case the German manufacturers have managed it anyway but you would have no ability to argue against their decisions in the EU
As a result the competitive advantage you could have enjoyed has disappeared in Europe.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 22 December 18:29
s2art said:
Sorry, but that is nonsense. What put the Great into Great Britain was the scientific and industrial revolution. It was the huge increase in productivity that came with steam and stuff like the power loom. There were people all over the world earning a lot less than the British workers, and having their livelyhoods threatened by cheap industrially made goods.
Well yes, that & selling cotton to captive Indian markets...cookie118 said:
s2art said:
Can you give an example where this would make any difference whatsoever? Many/most of the regulations are the EU implementing decisions made by supranational standards bodies. If the UK takes back its seat on said bodies then we have more influence.
This one?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24532284
Not sure what you are driving at in the bit you added. If the UK manufacturers had been investing heavily to meet the proposed target (now deferred) to gain competitive advantage, then why side with Germany on delaying the regs?
Edited by s2art on Monday 22 December 18:41
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