UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
allergictocheese said:
I don't see his past work at investments banks as a negative.
really?your very much in the minority then.
why else do you think the MSM and co are using the term so often?
it's funny when you consider both Clegg and Cameron have never had real jobs, and Miliband managed less than a year at Channel4 (Week in Politics show).
seeme to me like people are trying to suggest that holding down a real job is some kind of bad thing?
Scuffers said:
really?
your very much in the minority then.
why else do you think the MSM and co are using the term so often?
it's funny when you consider both Clegg and Cameron have never had real jobs, and Miliband managed less than a year at Channel4 (Week in Politics show).
seeme to me like people are trying to suggest that holding down a real job is some kind of bad thing?
I'm open minded in my politics at present. That's possibly helped by the fact that no party out there closely represents a sufficiently broad spectrum of policy that matches my ideals to make me want to vote for them.your very much in the minority then.
why else do you think the MSM and co are using the term so often?
it's funny when you consider both Clegg and Cameron have never had real jobs, and Miliband managed less than a year at Channel4 (Week in Politics show).
seeme to me like people are trying to suggest that holding down a real job is some kind of bad thing?
As for 'mainstream media', what would you define that as, precisely? Could you name some examples of relevant, non-mainstream media?
smn159 said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Interesting as to what is going on in the majority of the media of late. The almost hysterical attempts to smear UKIP , or anything remotely associated with them is akin to a circus, some, or even a lot of it, downright pathetic, and of very dubious authenticity.
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Got any links to these 'hysterical attempts to smear UKIP'?.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip...
The very small apology probably won't make the Nationals!
brenflys777 said:
smn159 said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Interesting as to what is going on in the majority of the media of late. The almost hysterical attempts to smear UKIP , or anything remotely associated with them is akin to a circus, some, or even a lot of it, downright pathetic, and of very dubious authenticity.
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Got any links to these 'hysterical attempts to smear UKIP'?.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip...
The very small apology probably won't make the Nationals!
Seriously?
zygalski said:
I stand for a United Europe with Great Britain at its heart!
Or to put it another way you are just another federalist who stands for a federal Europe with this 'country' being a state within that federal Europe.Which you're then trying to suggest is a positive thing not a negative one by putting a positive spin on it.When your statement makes no more sense than Abraham Lincoln saying that he stood for the Union of the United States with the state of Georgia being at its heart and if anyone in Georgia disagrees with that he'll go to war with them.Oh wait. allergictocheese said:
As for 'mainstream media', what would you define that as, precisely? Could you name some examples of relevant, non-mainstream media?
Odd question?Non mainstream would be minority and local stuff, like my local, the harborough mail, they don't really do national politics though.
XJ Flyer said:
Or to put it another way you are just another federalist who stands for a federal Europe with this 'country' being a state within that federal Europe.Which you're then trying to suggest is a positive thing not a negative one by putting a positive spin on it.When your statement makes no more sense than Abraham Lincoln saying that he stood for the Union of the United States with the state of Georgia being at its heart and if anyone in Georgia disagrees with that he'll go to war with them.Oh wait.
We should be giving our European colleagues a warm embrace & kiss on each cheek as opposed to a stand-offish handshake at arm's length.That is my view. Perhaps the world isn't ready for it yet, but the day will come.
XJ Flyer said:
The relevant bit being that the argument that the EU could impose unfavourable conditions on us,as it has in the case of Switzerland,under threat of 'trade sanctions',could only actually,in reality,result in a win win situation for us and backfire catastrophically for EU exporters to the UK.
I think the EU would be very happy to give a favourable trade agreement-if we coninue to run at a trade deficit to the EU, there's no point annoying your customers! Therefore the conditions of any EU deal would probably steer the UK towards continuing to run a trade deficit, and probably increasing the deficit as it is in the EU's best interests to do so. Therefore the Uk could be out of the EU but becomes increasingly reliant on the EU for trade!!BGARK said:
Forget the EU, name some physical items that you buy, work out where they come from.
What you are suggesting is a myth, and the same nonsense scare tactics used by those who simply want to remain in power.
I work for an OEM, we buy the majority of out components from Europe.What you are suggesting is a myth, and the same nonsense scare tactics used by those who simply want to remain in power.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th December 16:28
zygalski said:
XJ Flyer said:
Or to put it another way you are just another federalist who stands for a federal Europe with this 'country' being a state within that federal Europe.Which you're then trying to suggest is a positive thing not a negative one by putting a positive spin on it.When your statement makes no more sense than Abraham Lincoln saying that he stood for the Union of the United States with the state of Georgia being at its heart and if anyone in Georgia disagrees with that he'll go to war with them.Oh wait.
We should be giving our European colleagues a warm embrace & kiss on each cheek as opposed to a stand-offish handshake at arm's length.That is my view. Perhaps the world isn't ready for it yet, but the day will come.
smn159 said:
Got any links to these 'hysterical attempts to smear UKIP'?
Here is a typical eaxample from the DThttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11307...
The core of the first "article" concerns an alledged "UKIP Copycat" from the sub-heading. Where there is no inkling at all that the lout is anything to do with UKIP. In any case that "article" was already published in the Gruanaid, (different "author") and from comments made,seems to have originated prior to that on Labourlist. The entire thing has the scent of being fictional from the outset. Plus of course, from the myriads of minor polticians that have trangressed that could be raked up ,in the next part of the article, she highlights a UKIP example.
There are many articles on the DT which are aimed entirely at smearing UKIP, it started a couple of weeks back and is growing in intensity and regularity. Vested interests at stake , methinks.
Such behaviour entirely predictable from the likes of the leftist cranks of the Gruanaid, the Mirror etc, nasty twisted back stabbing to be expected, don't expect it though from a publicatuion which had the guts to expose the Westminster troughers and fraudsters.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the more these people screech and shout, the more supporters UKIP will gain. The average person in the street takes a very dim view of such behaviour.
Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Wednesday 24th December 16:35
cookie118 said:
XJ Flyer said:
The relevant bit being that the argument that the EU could impose unfavourable conditions on us,as it has in the case of Switzerland,under threat of 'trade sanctions',could only actually,in reality,result in a win win situation for us and backfire catastrophically for EU exporters to the UK.
I think the EU would be very happy to give a favourable trade agreement-if we coninue to run at a trade deficit to the EU, there's no point pissing off you customers! Therefore the conditions of any EU deal would probably steer the UK towards continuing to run a trade deficit, and probably increasing the deficit as it is in the EU's best interests to do so. Therefore the Uk could be out of the EU but becomes increasingly reliant on the EU for trade!!BGARK said:
Forget the EU, name some physical items that you buy, work out where they come from.
What you are suggesting is a myth, and the same nonsense scare tactics used by those who simply want to remain in power.
I work for an OEM, we buy the majority of out components from Europe.What you are suggesting is a myth, and the same nonsense scare tactics used by those who simply want to remain in power.
smn159 said:
And that constitutes an almost hysterical attempt to smear UKIP across the majority of the media, does it?
Seriously?
On its own it's just sloppy journalism and possibly inappropriate political bias in the advertising department, however that's just the most recent example I've seen. When you look at the difference in reporting of local UKIP councillors and their transgressions compared to the lack of national reporting of criminal activities of other parties councillors and it all seems a bit desperate if not hysterical. Seriously?
It's only my perception but in the case of the Bolter story recently the MSM seemed desperate for a sex scandal UKIP story, so ran it without investigating, which would have still been a bad news story for UKIP but not quite so hysterical and sexy!
UKIP are far from faultless, but I think the general standard of reporting about them spends too much time trying to be sneering and not enough time asking the more serious questions that need asking. The recent UKIP PPC who resigned after the 'chinky' comment was a classic example (along with Bolter) of someone who shouldn't have made the cut as a candidate. The phone call that was recorded was awful, but the reporting stopped at the 'chinky' 'poofter' phase and never got involved in who, why and when the conversation took place. In terms of journalism it seems a racist/homophobic story on a UKIP candidate is enough. It is a bad story, but the circumstances deserved serious journalism which doesn't seem to fit the way the press approach UKIP. IMO.
NicD said:
zygalski said:
I stand for a United Europe with Great Britain at its heart!
Great, how will that be achieved?All current evidence points to a united Europe with Britain at the edge, with little influence, but providing money and jobs
Cheese Mechanic said:
There are many articles on the DT which are aimed entirely at smearing UKIP, it started a couple of weeks back and is growing in intensity and regularity. Vested interests at stake , methinks.
Such behaviour entirely predictable from the likes of the leftist cranks of the Gruanaid, the Mirror etc, nasty twisted back stabbing to be expected, don't expect it though from a publicatuion which had the guts to expose the Westminster troughers and fraudsters
Glad someone else has spotted this in the DT. Seeing the way it has ramped up made me start to worry that I'd been exposed to too much smoke from the Whitby kipper smokehouse. But seriously it's getting a bit silly at times, by all means take any of them to task when something stupid has been done or said. Such behaviour entirely predictable from the likes of the leftist cranks of the Gruanaid, the Mirror etc, nasty twisted back stabbing to be expected, don't expect it though from a publicatuion which had the guts to expose the Westminster troughers and fraudsters
FiF said:
Glad someone else has spotted this in the DT. Seeing the way it has ramped up made me start to worry that I'd been exposed to too much smoke from the Whitby kipper smokehouse. But seriously it's getting a bit silly at times, by all means take any of them to task when something stupid has been done or said.
I get the DT on iPad subscription and whilst my political beliefs haven't changed from when I was an anti EU conservative, some of the opinion pieces have seemed like anti UKIP rants rather than serious journalism. Here's a recent one explaining how 'all UKIP policies come draped in casual misogyny like a dirty old mac'..
Only one article but not uncommon recently.
Of more note to me is the increasing number of fake UKIP accounts on Twitter. Some are set up, promote UKIP policies, get followed then say something outrageous and are reported by by MSM as sources of outrageous UKIP behaviour! When UKIP say they are not genuine accounts after they are taken at face value by the media it's too late. It would be interesting to know if it's individuals or groups that have been producing them.
You should read the latest one.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1131...
A nice attack on men, the over 60s and north of England. The rigging of the comments ratings, when allowed, is also becoming more noticeable.
A nice attack on men, the over 60s and north of England. The rigging of the comments ratings, when allowed, is also becoming more noticeable.
brenflys777 said:
Of more note to me is the increasing number of fake UKIP accounts on Twitter. Some are set up, promote UKIP policies, get followed then say something outrageous and are reported by by MSM as sources of outrageous UKIP behaviour! When UKIP say they are not genuine accounts after they are taken at face value by the media it's too late. It would be interesting to know if it's individuals or groups that have been producing them.
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