UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

This just illustrates my point.

We ate talking about what is likely to be one of the critical elections of our time, yet all the discussion is about meaningless bullst, ie, fox hunting, breast feeding, maternity rights, etc etc.

How about the economy, the EU, UK infrastructure investment, etc etc..

But no, we are still blighted by the brain dead simpletons....

Fine, lets talk about UKIP policies for the economy, UK infrastructure & Investment.

Can you tell me what they are?

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

cookie118 said:

Politician in mitigating damages shocker!!

what?

Politician says someting
Rightly or wrongly it is represented in a certain way in the media
Politician 'clarifies' to less damamging position.
It's not exactly the first time it's happened.

Scuffers said:

And like you, decide based on some random bullst that's not anywhere on the UKIP policy list.

When are you going to understand it's bullst?

So, who's the stupid one? The person that votes based on a nonexistent policy?

It might not be official policy, but considering Farage's 'Working mother's worth less' and other various comments why would a young woman have any other impression of the party? The media may dig and represent it in a certain way but UKIP supply the ammunition!!

[Scuffers]

Can you not read?

http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

Can you not read?

http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....

Oh I have read them, have you?

Try doing a word search on that page for "Investment" - no hits
Suggestions of investment in roads? None
Railways? Stop HS2
Air travel? None
High-speed broadband? None

Economy? Some tinkering with personal allowances and tax rates (mostly following inflation) and proposal for flat rate corporation tax that hasn't been thought through so it has to be studied.

Essentially the UKIP policy for investment and the economy is "leave the EU" and debts will be magically eliminated and everyone will live happily ever after

I know this is panto season, but I would like to see more than Jack and his magic bean.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Can you not read?

http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....

I have read it-it looks like a bit of a wish list rather than workable to me and a couple of bits are odd.

However....
Like it or not-elections can be won or lost on public perception. Hell Nigel Farage is praised as being 'straight talking', that's surely a perception and not a policy?

Some UKIP supporters have probably never read the policies yet still vote for them because of the impression of the party and the image of the party that isn't politically correct etc. Are they 'easily led' and hysterical?? I'm sure some of them are voting on 'imaginary bullst' and believing anything written about about Cameron et al?

[NicD]

cookie118 said:

It might not be official policy, but considering Farage's 'Working mother's worth less' and other various comments why would a young woman have any other impression of the party? The media may dig and represent it in a certain way but UKIP supply the ammunition!!

you may think your 'interpretation' is worth something but I would rather see the actual policies and quotes it is based on.

and btw, do you think reality should intrude on the sound bites?

Take it to extremes, is a Britain with many part time and covering workers going to take the tiger back from Asia?
This is why civilisations eventually decline, they lose the edge.

If you think we can 'have it all' then continue to vote for the two party hacks with an ever increasing deficit leading to economic marginalisation.

[Scuffers]

cookie118 said:

It might not be official policy, but considering Farage's 'Working mother's worth less' and other various comments why would a young woman have any other impression of the party? The media may dig and represent it in a certain way but UKIP supply the ammunition!!

Your at it again...

What was the exact quote and context?

(Hint - its not what you just posted)

edit- posted this two pages ago:

Scuffers said:

this is what find so depressing about the media today...

Every interview you see on TV is about crap, very little actually digs into policy details etc, it's all sensationalist fluff.

I like listening to LBC's phone Farage, but what a wasted opportunity it always ends up being, rather than discuss the important issues or policy, direction, etc we end up on totally irrelevant trivia - Breast feeding, use of the word e, etc etc etc, none of which is in any way important or vital in the future of this country yet the media just can't help themselves.

Another classic issue is the soft interview, watch the Labour energy woman on BBC the other morning spouting total rubbish about green this and that, and how it's nothing to do with people in fuel poverty, yet it's totally unchallenged, and this is a critical issue for the country.

Anyway, rant over!

Merry Christmas all!

seems to me you are exactly the kind of person this comment was aimed at.

I want people to vote on the REAL issues/policies, I don't mind if that's Labour/Lib/Tory/UKIP/Green/whatever, so long as it's on their actual real policies not made up st from the MSM or random st off ttter.

This country is far from being in good shape, we have BIG problems with a ever growing national debt, huge balance of payments imbalance, rapidly increasing population, the NHS about to fall apart, etc etc and you're going on about irrelevant tosh.

Edited by Scuffers on Sunday 28th December 17:18

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Your at it again...

What was the exact quote and context?

(Hint - its not what you just posted)

If it's so advantageous to your point of view why don't you post it?

As above perceptions matter! I dare say many UKIP votes are gained off the back of Mail IMMIGRANTS headlines and other perceptions of the current parties rather than actual written policies.

[NicD]

cookie118 said:

If it's so advantageous to your point of view why don't you post it?

As above perceptions matter! I dare say many UKIP votes are gained off the back of Mail IMMIGRANTS headlines and other perceptions of the current parties rather than actual written policies.

that is why the media is so insidious, they publish exaggerations and misinterpretations as fact and unfairly influence voters.
we may seem little zealous here but frankly, we have been through it and a bit tired.

just today, the Mail made up a quote about racism and attributed it to Douglas Carswell.

[PRTVR]

cookie118 said:

Scuffers said:

Your at it again...

What was the exact quote and context?

(Hint - its not what you just posted)

If it's so advantageous to your point of view why don't you post it?

As above perceptions matter! I dare say many UKIP votes are gained off the back of Mail IMMIGRANTS headlines and other perceptions of the current parties rather than actual written policies.

It would appear that it is just one of the many statements that just appears without foundation, but they think if its repeated often enough it will become fact, sad really, but when your party has no answers to major problems, that is all they have left.

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

that is why the media is so insidious, they publish exaggerations and misinterpretations as fact and unfairly influence voters.
we may seem little zealous here but frankly, we have been through it and a bit tired.

just today, the Mail made up a quote about racism and attributed it to Douglas Carswell.

But the influence happens both ways-I would say that part of UKIP's success is down to recent negative headlines about immigrants and the EU.

I think also UKIP are 'immature' as a political party-they aren't used to handling the media in the way the other parties do, and it becomes a vicious circle-the media know UKIP are good for a story so they go after it.

I don't think it's policial bias from the media-more that they know that there's a good story and sales to be had on UKIP articles and stories.

[anonymous-user]

PRTVR said:

It would appear that it is just one of the many statements that just appears without foundation, but they think if its repeated often enough it will become fact

You mean like-Britain will be better off if we leave the EU??

[PRTVR]

cookie118 said:

PRTVR said:

It would appear that it is just one of the many statements that just appears without foundation, but they think if its repeated often enough it will become fact

You mean like-Britain will be better off if we leave the EU??

Prove its wrong.

[anonymous-user]

PRTVR said:

cookie118 said:

PRTVR said:

It would appear that it is just one of the many statements that just appears without foundation, but they think if its repeated often enough it will become fact

You mean like-Britain will be better off if we leave the EU??

Prove its wrong.

I can't-but prove it's right
(honestly I don't think anyone knows the exact answer-it would take us leaving to find out)

[Scuffers]

Ok, how about the deficit and national debt?

What are labour's/liberals/Tory/green policies for this?

Or maybe the NHS?

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Ok, how about the deficit and national debt?

What are labour's/liberals/Tory/green policies for this?

Or maybe the NHS?

If you're so keen:

The Green Party would:
Stop the privatisation of our National Health Service and where possible reverse public service sell offs.

Conservatives would:

Reducing bureaucracy to pay for more than 8,000 more doctors and 6,000 more nurses on wards – so frontline services deliver for you and your family
Making services more efficient for patients – the number of people waiting more than a year for treatment is down by 98 per cent
Launching a new Cancer Drugs Fund, which has already helped more than 60,000 people

The Liberal Democrats are:
Improving services across the NHS, with 6,000 more doctors, lower waiting times and giving cancer drugs to 30,000 people.
Taking mental health seriously, putting £400m extra into early support.
Introducing the first ever cap on the cost of social care, so people don’t have to sell their home to pay for their care.


And labour:
Tackle NHS waiting times and put patients first. The Tories have created a crisis in A&E, and thousands of people can’t get a GP appointment when they need one. We will guarantee that you will be able to see a GP within 48 hours, which will help to tackle A&E waiting times.
Provide fairer access to mental health services. We will make mental health the priority it deserves to be. We will ensure that people have access to the treatment and services they need. We will make sure all professional NHS staff receive mental health training.
Create a 21st Century NHS for complex needs. We will make patient services fit for the future by bringing together physical health, mental health and social care into a single system of whole-person care. A single service built around patients.

They're all open on the internet to read-about as easy to find as UKIP's policies

[MGJohn]

Scuffers said:

This country is far from being in good shape, we have BIG problems with a ever growing national debt, huge balance of payments imbalance, rapidly increasing population, the NHS about to fall apart, etc etc and you're going on about irrelevant tosh.

Trouble is, it currently suits far too many in positions of influence to allow that unsustainable situation to continue.

The only way to get this Nation back on a sustainable footing from all aspects is to address ALL the causes and that includes the EU's negative influences. That will involve a lot of hard work for everyone, repeat everyone who does give a damn. That's nearly all of us.

[Mojocvh]

Scuffers said:

cookie118 said:

It might not be official policy, but considering Farage's 'Working mother's worth less' and other various comments why would a young woman have any other impression of the party? The media may dig and represent it in a certain way but UKIP supply the ammunition!!

Your at it again...

What was the exact quote and context?

(Hint - its not what you just posted)

edit- posted this two pages ago:

Scuffers said:

this is what find so depressing about the media today...

Every interview you see on TV is about crap, very little actually digs into policy details etc, it's all sensationalist fluff.

I like listening to LBC's phone Farage, but what a wasted opportunity it always ends up being, rather than discuss the important issues or policy, direction, etc we end up on totally irrelevant trivia - Breast feeding, use of the word e, etc etc etc, none of which is in any way important or vital in the future of this country yet the media just can't help themselves.

Another classic issue is the soft interview, watch the Labour energy woman on BBC the other morning spouting total rubbish about green this and that, and how it's nothing to do with people in fuel poverty, yet it's totally unchallenged, and this is a critical issue for the country.

Anyway, rant over!

Merry Christmas all!

seems to me you are exactly the kind of person this comment was aimed at.

I want people to vote on the REAL issues/policies, I don't mind if that's Labour/Lib/Tory/UKIP/Green/whatever, so long as it's on their actual real policies not made up st from the MSM or random st off ttter.

This country is far from being in good shape, we have BIG problems with a ever growing national debt, huge balance of payments imbalance, rapidly increasing population, the NHS about to fall apart, etc etc and you're going on about irrelevant tosh.

Edited by Scuffers on Sunday 28th December 17:18

Of course they are.

It's the fact that ALL the mainstream parties have failed the UK for decades; that is what they are desperately trying to deflect the slightest hint off from the populace.

[steveT350C]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-28/civil-ass...

http://akashictimes.co.uk/brits-could-pay-10-tax-o...

It's just a little bit of history repeating

[Mojocvh]

steveT350C said:

http://akashictimes.co.uk/brits-could-pay-10-tax-o...

It's just a little bit of history repeating

fking hell.

I wonder what zod thinks of this principal?