UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
NoNeed said:
So UKIP are promising to do what the Tories are going to do? if so, why not just say that?The other thing is - the Coalition are (I assume) costing this commitment using current tax rates. How are UKIP going to meet this commitment when they intend to cut taxes?
Countdown said:
So UKIP are promising to do what the Tories are going to do? if so, why not just say that?
The other thing is - the Coalition are (I assume) costing this commitment using current tax rates. How are UKIP going to meet this commitment when they intend to cut taxes?
1. What have UKIP said about cutting tax rates?The other thing is - the Coalition are (I assume) costing this commitment using current tax rates. How are UKIP going to meet this commitment when they intend to cut taxes?
2. Cutting tax rates doesn't necessarily lead to a cut in total tax income.
sidicks said:
1. What have UKIP said about cutting tax rates?
http://www.cityam.com/1411722898/ukip-conference-2014-nigel-farage-sets-out-tax-cutting-policiessidicks said:
2. Cutting tax rates doesn't necessarily lead to a cut in total tax income.
It does when applied to people who are PAYE.sidicks said:
Countdown said:
It does when applied to people who are PAYE.
Not everyone is on PAYE, and those aren't the ones who are currently avoiding tax...Countdown said:
NoNeed said:
So UKIP are promising to do what the Tories are going to do? if so, why not just say that?The other thing is - the Coalition are (I assume) costing this commitment using current tax rates. How are UKIP going to meet this commitment when they intend to cut taxes?
Countdown said:
So hrs going to reduce taxes and increase defence spending. Has he said how he's going to pay for it?
By planting money trees, obviously.The UKIP manifesto, so called, contains a series of wishes and ideas, not policies. They are, IMO, deliberately drawn that way so that they can mean whatever the reader wants them to mean. One of the Kipperati on here construed the military spending promise in a very specific way, ISTR, as meaning lots of new and working kit for serving soldiers. Even though I am pretty sure His Nigelness the Appeaser has espoused a military policy of "keep our noses out of other countries' business".
Without a detailed foreign policy I'm not sure what relevance a military policy really has. Perhaps UKIP's big idea is Jack Kennedy's: withdraw to home soil and keep the Forces ready to repel invaders. Especially the immigrant ones.
Always remember: this thread exists solely for the dozen or so Kipperati that keep it going. And it is not a forum for discussion, much less criticism. It is a Holy Shrine for quiet contemplation and reflection about all that is great and good about St Nigel and his utterly anonymous disciples (except Reckless and Carswell. They're not anonymous, but they are Johnny-come-lately immigrants to the Pious Kingdom of Kipper).
Greg66 said:
By planting money trees, obviously.
The UKIP manifesto, so called, contains a series of wishes and ideas, not policies. They are, IMO, deliberately drawn that way so that they can mean whatever the reader wants them to mean. One of the Kipperati on here construed the military spending promise in a very specific way, ISTR, as meaning lots of new and working kit for serving soldiers. Even though I am pretty sure His Nigelness the Appeaser has espoused a military policy of "keep our noses out of other countries' business".
Without a detailed foreign policy I'm not sure what relevance a military policy really has. Perhaps UKIP's big idea is Jack Kennedy's: withdraw to home soil and keep the Forces ready to repel invaders. Especially the immigrant ones.
Always remember: this thread exists solely for the dozen or so Kipperati that keep it going. And it is not a forum for discussion, much less criticism. It is a Holy Shrine for quiet contemplation and reflection about all that is great and good about St Nigel and his utterly anonymous disciples (except Reckless and Carswell. They're not anonymous, but they are Johnny-come-lately immigrants to the Pious Kingdom of Kipper).
The UKIP manifesto, so called, contains a series of wishes and ideas, not policies. They are, IMO, deliberately drawn that way so that they can mean whatever the reader wants them to mean. One of the Kipperati on here construed the military spending promise in a very specific way, ISTR, as meaning lots of new and working kit for serving soldiers. Even though I am pretty sure His Nigelness the Appeaser has espoused a military policy of "keep our noses out of other countries' business".
Without a detailed foreign policy I'm not sure what relevance a military policy really has. Perhaps UKIP's big idea is Jack Kennedy's: withdraw to home soil and keep the Forces ready to repel invaders. Especially the immigrant ones.
Always remember: this thread exists solely for the dozen or so Kipperati that keep it going. And it is not a forum for discussion, much less criticism. It is a Holy Shrine for quiet contemplation and reflection about all that is great and good about St Nigel and his utterly anonymous disciples (except Reckless and Carswell. They're not anonymous, but they are Johnny-come-lately immigrants to the Pious Kingdom of Kipper).
It is this kind of sanctimonious drivel that will make May all the more enjoyable. Greg66 said:
The UKIP manifesto, so called, contains a series of wishes and ideas, not policies. They are, IMO, deliberately drawn that way so that they can mean whatever the reader wants them to mean.
Nail hit squarely on the head. UKIP exists because the UKs problems are complex but some people want simple Daily Mail headline solutions. To position a group of right wing populists as some sort of 'peoples army' is just laughable IMO.
jogon said:
It is this kind of sanctimonious drivel that will make May all the more enjoyable. What do you consider will be an "enjoyable" electoral result - not simply for you and your Kipperati breathren, but for the country as a whole?
Immigration = All fit Eastern birds should be allowed to stay, All those involved in pole dancing should have their earnings taxed which will help with boosting the economy, money could then be spent to resurface all existing uk roads. 
All eastern european males should be kicked out and sent home and take their car washing buckets with them.
Transport
Any lorry entering the uk to be thoroughly searched top to bottom and anyone found trying to enter the uk is removed that day to a large prison ship, which then when full can be sent back to Africa where many of these people come from, Their country's government to pick up the tab of shipping there citizens back to where they came from.
Same with people who come in by plane and are put in detention centres, ship them all out to new prison ships, that day.
Human right laws to be overturned.
Housing
Remove the right to buy a Council home, If you want to get a foot on the property ladder then do it through a Housing association.
Flats in London for Londoners, not Foreign investors playing the market, make taxation laws high enough that they will not be interested.
Remove dartford bridge tolls, we the tax payer have paid for that bridge several times over, no company should now have the right to continue to charge us to cross it.
Bring back the motoring tax disc, so people can report cars that are not displaying them.
Trains busses and underground to run 24 hrs from all major city's, so people who live out of the city's don't get fleeced by rip off taxi and mini cab operators.
3rd party insurance to be included with the purchase of a road tax disc, Insurance companies will then have to compete on Fire and theft policies and fully comp insurance.
Pub busses to be introduced to run between pubs and rural villages with no fixed bus stops.
Many old B roads require widening by at least a meter, roads have shrunk as small shrubs and trees have matured over the years, Widen the roads and move hedgerows back a Meter.
Better import export taxation laws for non EU countries.
UK to leave the EU and their laws immediately.
Trade with europe Yes, Governed by the EU NO.
Prisoners staying at Her Majesty's pleasure to be put into work gangs, street cleaning, repairing road surfaces, cleaning street furniture, bollards signage etc.
Thats a start, I can think of loads more stuff.
Unmarked Police vehicles to be only used by anti terrorist units or CID
Re open Community Police stations.
Anyone like these ideas?
All eastern european males should be kicked out and sent home and take their car washing buckets with them.
Transport
Any lorry entering the uk to be thoroughly searched top to bottom and anyone found trying to enter the uk is removed that day to a large prison ship, which then when full can be sent back to Africa where many of these people come from, Their country's government to pick up the tab of shipping there citizens back to where they came from.
Same with people who come in by plane and are put in detention centres, ship them all out to new prison ships, that day.
Human right laws to be overturned.
Housing
Remove the right to buy a Council home, If you want to get a foot on the property ladder then do it through a Housing association.
Flats in London for Londoners, not Foreign investors playing the market, make taxation laws high enough that they will not be interested.
Remove dartford bridge tolls, we the tax payer have paid for that bridge several times over, no company should now have the right to continue to charge us to cross it.
Bring back the motoring tax disc, so people can report cars that are not displaying them.
Trains busses and underground to run 24 hrs from all major city's, so people who live out of the city's don't get fleeced by rip off taxi and mini cab operators.
3rd party insurance to be included with the purchase of a road tax disc, Insurance companies will then have to compete on Fire and theft policies and fully comp insurance.
Pub busses to be introduced to run between pubs and rural villages with no fixed bus stops.
Many old B roads require widening by at least a meter, roads have shrunk as small shrubs and trees have matured over the years, Widen the roads and move hedgerows back a Meter.
Better import export taxation laws for non EU countries.
UK to leave the EU and their laws immediately.
Trade with europe Yes, Governed by the EU NO.
Prisoners staying at Her Majesty's pleasure to be put into work gangs, street cleaning, repairing road surfaces, cleaning street furniture, bollards signage etc.
Thats a start, I can think of loads more stuff.
Unmarked Police vehicles to be only used by anti terrorist units or CID
Re open Community Police stations.
Anyone like these ideas?
Edited by fatboy18 on Monday 29th December 17:59
sidicks said:
Countdown said:
Most people are and, as a result, their tax avoiding capability is limited. Giving them a tax cut isn't going to increase tax revenues.
And yet we repeatedly here about how those "nasty rich" people are avoiding billions of taxes - is this untrue??Assuming he means it, it's not going to result in a vast onshoring of previously untaxed assets, so how is he going to pay the bills?
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