UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[NicD]

JustAnotherLogin said:

NicD said:

Countdown said:

Are the wheels coming off the bandwagon?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/21/ukip-nh...

is that the 'wheels coming off' or actually being tightened up?

'In one set of minutes leaked to the Daily Mirror from a meeting of Ukip's national executive, Farage told top Ukip members that the party's "problem" was that it was "promising the earth to everybody" by making pledges that it could not afford.'

This makes very good sense to talk about and I am pleased to see such a discussion.

It does make sense to talk about. And whilst I don't have the details of Farage's proposal for the NHS, so I don't know whether I would agree with it, at least he is trying to come up with a solution for the NHS. Unfortunately the idea has been suppressed as unpopular just as most to do with NHS are. The Tories have been the only ones brave enough to even try and look how that has harmed then.

As for the rest, whilst he is right to try and ensure things are unaffordable, it looks like he is in a small minority and they aren't coming up with workable policies. And of course in the vacuum that is left you have idiots like Lynton Yates going off on ridiculous tangents.

I don't suppose this will impact the core vote much, since for them the EU and immigration trump all other areas of policy, but extending the support base may be difficult. Indeed the polls are showing a significant drop over the last 4 months that might reflect this.

I have said several times that it is impossible to predict the vote as a lot can happen before the election.
I may even vote other than UKIP if I assess that as the best thing.

Irrespective of that, the reason we can have so many adult conversations is because UKIP have shaken things up. In a very good way (unlike the never grateful SNP).

yet, we have people like zygalski above making nasty and unsubstantiated assertions about lowest common denominator.
Why do posters think they can bring their crazy class war or whatever here?

[fatboy18]

NicD said:

I have said several times that it is impossible to predict the vote as a lot can happen before the election.
I may even vote other than UKIP if I assess that as the best thing.

Irrespective of that, the reason we can have so many adult conversations is because UKIP have shaken things up. In a very good way (unlike the never grateful SNP).

yet, we have people like zygalski above making nasty and unsubstantiated assertions about lowest common denominator.
Why do posters think they can bring their crazy class war or whatever here?

Good post

[Axionknight]

zygalski said:

Thing is, the kind of voter that Farage is going for isn't the slightest bit interested in whether the sums add up or not. Their target group can be summed up in three words:
Lowest
Common
Denominator
We have plenty of disaffected folk in this country who think the world owes them a living & "someone else" is to blame for their woes. Whinging is what we tend to do best, alongside being stuck with ridiculous selective amnesia romantic ideas of the past. It's the English disease.

I know some pretty successful and intelligent lowest common denominators, if they are the lowest of the low I'd love to see what the average Joe is like in your world, what a ridiculous, hate filled statement to make.

[zygalski]

Axionknight said:

I know some pretty successful and intelligent lowest common denominators, if they are the lowest of the low I'd love to see what the average Joe is like in your world, what a ridiculous, hate filled statement to make.

Oh I'm sure there's some Kipper wheat amongst the chaff. I was talking about generic target groups - eg poorly educated, angry white people in rundown (seaside) towns.
Talking of hate - where is the positivity in the UKIP mantra? It's all about hatred, fear & ignorance. Without these things UKIP doesn't even have an agenda. It has absolutely nothing to offer people who lead satisfying, reasonably happy lives.
Like me.

[steveT350C]

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

[NicD]

zygalski said:

Oh I'm sure there's some Kipper wheat amongst the chaff. I was talking about generic target groups - eg poorly educated, angry white people in rundown (seaside) towns.
Talking of hate - where is the positivity in the UKIP mantra? It's all about hatred, fear & ignorance. Without these things UKIP doesn't even have an agenda. It has absolutely nothing to offer people who lead satisfying, reasonably happy lives.
Like me.

I don't see a single word of fact in your continued rant.
Not one.

I mean you may lead 'happy life' who knows, but certainly not a 'reasonable' one, at least judging by your factually challenged tirades.

Point to the evidence to back your slurs.

[Timsta]

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

What? Isn't the leader meant to stand by the party member? They've seen the error of their ways and all that? Aren't UKIP just like all the other parties?

[NicD]

Timsta said:

What? Isn't the leader meant to stand by the party member? They've seen the error of their ways and all that? Aren't UKIP just like all the other parties?

Nope, UKIP isn't like all the other parties, it does the right thing.

[zygalski]

NicD said:

Timsta said:

What? Isn't the leader meant to stand by the party member? They've seen the error of their ways and all that? Aren't UKIP just like all the other parties?

Nope, UKIP isn't like all the other parties, it does the right thing.

Wow. Just wow.
Hook, line & sinker.

[allergictocheese]

NicD said:

Nope, UKIP isn't like all the other parties, it does the right thing.

By continuing to select criminals and racists as candidates?

[NicD]

allergictocheese said:

By continuing to de-select criminals and racists as candidates

fixed that for you

[steveT350C]

NicD said:

Timsta said:

What? Isn't the leader meant to stand by the party member? They've seen the error of their ways and all that? Aren't UKIP just like all the other parties?

Nope, UKIP isn't like all the other parties, it does the right thing.

Indeed.

UKIP are different. The PPCs standing for UKIP at GE2015 are predominantly 'working middle class'.

'Lowest common denominator' comments are ignorant at best.

[JustAnotherLogin]

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

Perhaps in view of some of the criticisms made of UKIP, they perhaps would have been better being clear what it is they are not tolerant of

The UK Independence Party has a zero-tolerance policy and...

[steveT350C]

JustAnotherLogin said:

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

Perhaps in view of some of the criticisms made of UKIP, they perhaps would have been better being clear what it is they are not tolerant of

The UK Independence Party has a zero-tolerance policy and...

Perhaps

[Yazar]

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

That is only half the news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1136...

[steveT350C]

Yazar said:

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

That is only half the news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1136...

Good luck to him

[zygalski]

steveT350C said:

Yazar said:

steveT350C said:

Some news.....

http://www.ukip.org/amjad_bashir_mep_suspended_fro...

Eta. http://news.sky.com/story/1414289/ukip-mep-amjad-b...

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 24th January 18:21

That is only half the news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1136...

Good luck to him

Oh, so Bashir has a few run-ins, at some stage threatens to quit, finally defects to the Tories & all of a sudden after a remarkably hasty internal UKIP investigation "financial irregularities" are found & details sent to Police.
Hmmm. Maybe me being cynical but I would think the whiter-than-white former Tories in Kipper Central sat on this for some time & used the info as leverage.
They wouldn't do something as rotten & old school as that though, would they? After all, they are different...

[Yazar]

zygalski said:

Oh, so Bashir has a few run-ins, at some stage threatens to quit, finally defects to the Tories & all of a sudden after a remarkably hasty internal UKIP investigation "financial irregularities" are found & details sent to Police.
Hmmm. Maybe me being cynical but I would think the whiter-than-white former Tories in Kipper Central sat on this for some time & used the info as leverage.
They wouldn't do something as rotten & old school as that though, would they? After all, they are different...

Whether he quit before pushed, or pushed after he quit awaits to be seen.


Its messy that's for sure.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Yazar said:

Whether he quit before pushed, or pushed after he quit awaits to be seen.


Its messy that's for sure.

Indeed. The evidence for and against this will be interesting too

Telegraph said:

The allegations are “old” and have previously been dismissed by Mr Farage, a source said.

If true trying to defame him in this way after he decided to defect would be a very cynical act

[zygalski]

Well either way the UKIP Asian poster boy can't be wheeled out at every accusation of racism.
No doubt UKIP will be desperately trying to acquire another person of similar race to fill the void. I wonder how the PH Kipper clan feel about an English man or woman of Pakistani origin quite possibly getting a job at UKIP Central based on his or her race over a possibly better qualified middle aged white bloke?
Interesting times ahead.