UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[TKF]

Timsta said:

TKF said:

More insults and zero apologies. Imagine my surprise.

You treat people as you find them?

So if I was black you'd call me a ?
Indian and you'd call me a ?
Chinese and you'd call me a chinky?
Jewish and you'd call me a Yid?

You're a bigoted prick. I've reported your posts and it's up to the mods how you're dealt with now.

Maybe if you had looked up "Fellow traveller" like it was suggested. Here, I did the hard work for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveller

And I suppose the "Eenie Meanie Minie Mo" rhyme is just a way of choosing between two objects and has no racist connotations?

NicD is a nasty little man. He's had the opportunity to apologise for his (supposed) error of judgement but he just continues with the insults. Like I say, it's up to the mods to decide how to handle this which will be very telling.

[NoNeed]

TKF said:

And I suppose the "Eenie Meanie Minie Mo" rhyme is just a way of choosing between two objects and has no racist connotations?

NicD is a nasty little man. He's had the opportunity to apologise for his (supposed) error of judgement but he just continues with the insults. Like I say, it's up to the mods to decide how to handle this which will be very telling.

You have insulted him, you called him a "bigoted prick".


Why are you allowed and not him?

[allergictocheese]

On this occasion I think TKF has got the wrong end of the stick. I don't believe Nis was commenting on TKFs origins.

He was, as per what appears the norm for him, trying to group everyone who has an opinion different to his into one homogenous blob.

[Timsta]

TKF said:

Timsta said:

TKF said:

More insults and zero apologies. Imagine my surprise.

You treat people as you find them?

So if I was black you'd call me a ?
Indian and you'd call me a ?
Chinese and you'd call me a chinky?
Jewish and you'd call me a Yid?

You're a bigoted prick. I've reported your posts and it's up to the mods how you're dealt with now.

Maybe if you had looked up "Fellow traveller" like it was suggested. Here, I did the hard work for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveller

And I suppose the "Eenie Meanie Minie Mo" rhyme is just a way of choosing between two objects and has no racist connotations?

NicD is a nasty little man. He's had the opportunity to apologise for his (supposed) error of judgement but he just continues with the insults. Like I say, it's up to the mods to decide how to handle this which will be very telling.

Come on, I did the hard bit of googling for you. All you need to do is click the link and read.

[Axionknight]

This TKF chap could be a Yes voting SNP supporter with the way he whips that victim card out, whilst remaining woefully ignorant to what he is actually talking about.

[NoNeed]

Timsta said:

Come on, I did the hard bit of googling for you. All you need to do is click the link and read.

Well he he lives by the standards he expects of others he will be back to apologise very soon

[Disastrous]

Axionknight said:

This TKF chap could be a Yes voting SNP supporter with the way he whips that victim card out, whilst remaining woefully ignorant to what he is actually talking about.

Just pathetic. "Yes voting SNP supporter...victim card...ignorant"...really?? You need to take a look at yourself.

[Axionknight]

Disastrous said:

Just pathetic. "Yes voting SNP supporter...victim card...ignorant"...really?? You need to take a look at yourself.

I took a look at the campaign ran in Scotland, and the reaction on social media and came to that conclusion, rather than looking at myself, go and trawl through the topic in his very forum and the Facebook/Twitter pages blaming England for any woes, real or percieved.

[TKF]

Axionknight said:

This TKF chap could be a Yes voting SNP supporter with the way he whips that victim card out, whilst remaining woefully ignorant to what he is actually talking about.

No, I'm English. If I was Scottish NicDriffin would have probably called me a Sweaty Jock.

[ralphrj]

dandarez said:

No. Bashir is refusing a by-election.

You don't have by-elections for MEPs anymore. Since 1999 UK European Elections have used proportional representation instead of first-past-the-post and by-elections were dropped. If an MEP dies or retires then their party can select a candidate to replace them.

Edited by ralphrj on Sunday 25th January 12:15

[968]

Axionknight said:

I took a look at the campaign ran in Scotland, and the reaction on social media and came to that conclusion, rather than looking at myself, go and trawl through the topic in his very forum and the Facebook/Twitter pages blaming England for any woes, real or percieved.

I wonder what conclusions I'd come to if I ran through the social media and Twitter comments/reaction from kippers? If this thread is anything to go by, it wouldn't be flattering.

[Scuffers]

ralphrj said:

dandarez said:

No. Bashir is refusing a by-election.

You don't have by-elections for MEPs. If an MEP dies or retires then their party can select a candidate to replace them.

thus they should be replaced with the next person on the local parties list.

not sure how he stands now, the EU elections are for the party, not the individual, so if he quits the party, then he should lose his 'seat'?

what's happened before?

[ralphrj]

Scuffers said:

thus they should be replaced with the next person on the local parties list.

not sure how he stands now, the EU elections are for the party, not the individual, so if he quits the party, then he should lose his 'seat'?

what's happened before?

If he stood down as an MEP then that is what happens. However, he hasn't stepped down as an MEP he has just switched parties.

Some Tory MEPs defected to UKIP during the last European Parliament (Roger Helmer for example) and did not have to face a by-election.

[Disastrous]

968 said:

Axionknight said:

I took a look at the campaign ran in Scotland, and the reaction on social media and came to that conclusion, rather than looking at myself, go and trawl through the topic in his very forum and the Facebook/Twitter pages blaming England for any woes, real or percieved.

I wonder what conclusions I'd come to if I ran through the social media and Twitter comments/reaction from kippers? If this thread is anything to go by, it wouldn't be flattering.

Quite. I'd hardly use a few posters on one thread as enough evidence to whitewash (not black or coloured wash, thanks!) the entire SNP voting body.

In much the same way, I dearly hope that this thread doesn't describe all UKIP voters or worse still, all British!

[DeanR32]

wolves_wanderer said:

jogon said:

But who cares you are welcome to him his presence in the party most certainly put off some potential supporters.

Why?

Yep. What kind of people would be put off by this blokes presence?

[TKF]

DeanR32 said:

wolves_wanderer said:

jogon said:

But who cares you are welcome to him his presence in the party most certainly put off some potential supporters.

Why?

Yep. What kind of people would be put off by this blokes presence?

To quote St Nige (peace be upon him) "You know what the difference is"

[JustAnotherLogin]

NicD said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

NicD said:

hey, you are turning from reasonably even handed analysis to prejudged bias.
I cant keep up.

Just redressing the bias shown by the repeated bias of a few Kippers in repeating the UKIP position which does seem to have more than a few holes. UKIP and Farage are not showing any interest in filling those holes so I am getting more suspicious.

And Jogon. the only info on this I have comes from the BBC, google and what has been posted here (noticeably by Steve350s link to those e-mails which are incredibly interesting).

well, not exactly

you say 'What a remarkable coincidence that UKIP should become aware/concerned about all these things at the same time. '
But this isn't true. It was not at the same time was it.

But UKIP appear to suggest it is.

If the employment issue is enough to expel him, why wasn't he expelled last October when it came to light
If the association with Bhutto is such an issue, why didn't that come to light last January? (and why did UKIP officials allow Bhutto into a selection meeting last week for that matter)
We have no info on the expenses/financial irregularities so at present the only issue that has just come to light seems to be the election rigging - in which he doesn't actually seem to be involved as per Steve350s link.

So now they have linked his departure to all of the above issues it has the smell of several issues that may or may not be significant, that UKIP have known about for a long time, but decided to make public when they discover he is about to defect.

So were they covering up before? Or is it not an issue now? The only explanation favourable to UKIP is that the investigations into all these separate issues came to a head at the same time. Which as I said, would be a remarkable coincidence

[dandarez]

Scuffers said:

ralphrj said:

dandarez said:

No. Bashir is refusing a by-election.

You don't have by-elections for MEPs. If an MEP dies or retires then their party can select a candidate to replace them.

thus they should be replaced with the next person on the local parties list.

not sure how he stands now, the EU elections are for the party, not the individual, so if he quits the party, then he should lose his 'seat'?

what's happened before?

It was 'very' late when I posted, I was 'nodding' (how long before that term becomes pc!) while listening online to it and heard he was refusing to entertain any election. I got that wrong.
However, listening to debate on this now is interesting. Shapps saying 'Bashir has joined the Tories and UKIP don't like it'

No. Bashir has RE-joined the Tories! It's being played out as if this is a new defection to the Tories.

As I said in my first post, 'Strange'.

Bashir was very vocal against the government last year and previously.

And the restaurant hoo hah with the illegals, Bashir pointed all the blame at the government.
Interestingly, as the press today are pointing out in defence of the Tories, Nigel Farage defended Bashir last year when this blew up. Farage was quoted as saying:

"Be a little bit careful on that story; he founded a business of which he is no longer a director of, his sons run it, they have got a big row going on. He's resigned as a director but he wasn't responsible for the day-to-day running of it. However, I've spoken to him this morning; he said they made checks and they are in dispute with the immigration authorities and they've gone to appeal."

What was the result of the appeal if there has been one?

Bashir is said to have stepped down from the family business before the raid.
Companies House records show he resigned as a director of Zouk Group Limited and four related companies on 6 May 2013, a month before the visit from immigration officials.
However, the resignation was not filed electronically with Companies House until 3 June, two days after the raid.

Have we heard the last of this? Hope CMD has checked all this out thoroughly, you know welcoming back someone openly hostile to government and very anti EU still.

[brenflys777]

JustAnotherLogin said:

But UKIP appear to suggest it is.

If the employment issue is enough to expel him, why wasn't he expelled last October when it came to light
If the association with Bhutto is such an issue, why didn't that come to light last January? (and why did UKIP officials allow Bhutto into a selection meeting last week for that matter)
We have no info on the expenses/financial irregularities so at present the only issue that has just come to light seems to be the election rigging - in which he doesn't actually seem to be involved as per Steve350s link.

So now they have linked his departure to all of the above issues it has the smell of several issues that may or may not be significant, that UKIP have known about for a long time, but decided to make public when they discover he is about to defect.

So were they covering up before? Or is it not an issue now? The only explanation favourable to UKIP is that the investigations into all these separate issues came to a head at the same time. Which as I said, would be a remarkable coincidence

Its easy to speculate about the timing of these events. I think the two most important points are - if Bashir is guilty of some or all of this, and at what point UKIP and the conservatives became aware of this.

If UKIP knew but were investigating they are probably in the clear. If they knew and did nothing, thats bad and if the Tories were so keen or desperate to do anything anti-UKIP that they either failed to screen him properly or didn't consider it important… this could do them far more damage than UKIP.

As I said earlier, for a pre planned exit, CCO failed to cleanse with the tweets until they started to re-appear and then pulled him from public appearances… I think it's quite possible that the decision for Cameron to be pictured with him and endorse him may have been hasty.

In terms of interesting timing one of my local MP's Mark Pritchard was making quite strong hints about UKIP, then he categorically confirmed his loyalty to the conservatives around the same time he was arrested, then bailed on an accusation that has not been pursued. Sometimes these things just surface at the same time entirely coincidentally.

[NicD]

TKF said:

No, I'm English. If I was Scottish NicDriffin would have probably called me a Sweaty Jock.

but are you for real?

you wrote
"More insults and zero apologies. Imagine my surprise.

You treat people as you find them?
So if I was black you'd call me a ?
Indian and you'd call me a ?
Chinese and you'd call me a chinky?
Jewish and you'd call me a Yid?
You're a bigoted xxxx. I've reported your posts and it's up to the mods how you're dealt with now.

But what exactly would I apologise for?

You are the one that has misread and misinterpreted the posts
and gone nuclear with the nonsense above.

Just to answer:


So if you were black and talking bks, I would say 'do some research, present some facts and arguments and stop talking bks!'.
Indian and the same
Chinese and the same
Jewish and the same

I really hope you get booted off here because you absolutely deserve it.