UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
TKF said:
DeanR32 said:
wolves_wanderer said:
jogon said:
But who cares you are welcome to him his presence in the party most certainly put off some potential supporters.
Why?https://www.scribd.com/doc/253620071/Bradford-sele...
Having seen the harm caused in Rotherham and other areas I personally would never vote for a Muslim politician. I am not a UKIP member.
Disastrous said:
Quite. I'd hardly use a few posters on one thread as enough evidence to whitewash (not black or coloured wash, thanks!) the entire SNP voting body.
In much the same way, I dearly hope that this thread doesn't describe all UKIP voters or worse still, all British!
Go on, call it a black wash, TKF will likely explode in rage In much the same way, I dearly hope that this thread doesn't describe all UKIP voters or worse still, all British!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/uk...
It sounds like he was facing some major issues whatever happened with timing. I guess the Tories don't care - anything that happens can be pushed far enough down the line and forgotten for now.
Guardian said:
Cameron said: “I’m absolutely delighted that Amjad has decided to leave Ukip and join the Conservative Party.”
Bashir, who is a Muslim from a Pakistani background, had an “inspiring” story, the prime minister said. “It’s another sign that in this great country of ours you can come to Britain without very much and you can be a member of the European parliament, an MP, sit in the cabinet
I do find the constant abuse UKIP gets from Tories contrasted with the statement post "defection" above amusing!Bashir, who is a Muslim from a Pakistani background, had an “inspiring” story, the prime minister said. “It’s another sign that in this great country of ours you can come to Britain without very much and you can be a member of the European parliament, an MP, sit in the cabinet
It sounds like he was facing some major issues whatever happened with timing. I guess the Tories don't care - anything that happens can be pushed far enough down the line and forgotten for now.
NicD said:
TKF said:
No, I'm English. If I was Scottish NicDriffin would have probably called me a Sweaty Jock.
but are you for real?you wrote
"More insults and zero apologies. Imagine my surprise.
You treat people as you find them?
So if I was black you'd call me a ?
Indian and you'd call me a ?
Chinese and you'd call me a chinky?
Jewish and you'd call me a Yid?
You're a bigoted xxxx. I've reported your posts and it's up to the mods how you're dealt with now.
But what exactly would I apologise for?
You are the one that has misread and misinterpreted the posts
and gone nuclear with the nonsense above.
Just to answer:
So if you were black and talking b
ks, I would say 'do some research, present some facts and arguments and stop talking bks!'.Indian and the same
Chinese and the same
Jewish and the same
I really hope you get booted off here because you absolutely deserve it.
At least Farage has the sense to say sorry when he or his candidates have ballsed up and insulted people.
TKF said:
You didn't do any research or present any facts. You called me a traveller. Your slur was pointed out and you haven't apologised.
At least Farage has the sense to say sorry when he or his candidates have ballsed up and insulted people.
Are you totally stupid? More than one person has explained to you what he meant........At least Farage has the sense to say sorry when he or his candidates have ballsed up and insulted people.
brenflys777 said:
Its easy to speculate about the timing of these events. I think the two most important points are - if Bashir is guilty of some or all of this, and at what point UKIP and the conservatives became aware of this.
If UKIP knew but were investigating they are probably in the clear. If they knew and did nothing, thats bad and if the Tories were so keen or desperate to do anything anti-UKIP that they either failed to screen him properly or didn't consider it important… this could do them far more damage than UKIP.
As I said earlier, for a pre planned exit, CCO failed to cleanse with the tweets until they started to re-appear and then pulled him from public appearances… I think it's quite possible that the decision for Cameron to be pictured with him and endorse him may have been hasty.
There is no reason for the Tories to even start investigating up until now. If UKIP knew but were investigating they are probably in the clear. If they knew and did nothing, thats bad and if the Tories were so keen or desperate to do anything anti-UKIP that they either failed to screen him properly or didn't consider it important… this could do them far more damage than UKIP.
As I said earlier, for a pre planned exit, CCO failed to cleanse with the tweets until they started to re-appear and then pulled him from public appearances… I think it's quite possible that the decision for Cameron to be pictured with him and endorse him may have been hasty.
TKF said:
You didn't do any research or present any facts. You called me a traveller. Your slur was pointed out and you haven't apologised.
At least Farage has the sense to say sorry when he or his candidates have ballsed up and insulted people.
From the link Timsta provided: At least Farage has the sense to say sorry when he or his candidates have ballsed up and insulted people.
'A fellow traveller, spelt "fellow traveler" in US English, is a person who sympathizes with the beliefs of an organization or cooperates in its activities without maintaining formal membership in that particular group.'
Personally I hate this phrase, but in persisting to find offence in it, you appear to be talking nonsense.
Good ole BBC revealed it that 
JustAnotherLogin said:
There is no reason for the Tories to even start investigating up until now.
If a Conservative MP like Reckless or Carswell or even Pritchard before his arrest came to UKIP and offered to join, you would expect some investigation of the circumstances, unless it happened quickly or they lacked the resources to do it. UKIP screening of candidates has and apparently continues to be a problem. The conservatives have even mentioned this, so it seems fair to expect them to be particularly careful with someone like Bashir who was Tory, then UKIP, then Tory again. If they didn't have time to arrange deleting his anti Cameron tweets, maybe they didn't make time to screen him either.
If Cameron or another senior Tory appears publicly with him to endorse Bashir on TV now (after the ukip accusations) I'd have more confidence in their acceptance.
Edited by brenflys777 on Sunday 25th January 14:11
TKF said:
Just wow
PH never fails to deliver
first generation immigrants from countries such as Pakistan come from regimes where what we term as corruption is everyday standard practice,a completely different way of running things (supposedly) to how we do it in the uk . anyone that would vote for a politician of that background is stupid imo. it is not a racial slur,it is just the way it is. PH never fails to deliver
before you get all offended ,have a look at the record of uk councils where there are significant numbers of asian councillors . why would a change of country change the way they do business ? if you are brought up in a culture where anyone in a position of authority employs family members regardless of ability ,and that position is used to generate wealth by any means ,it would be incredibly stupid to assume that would be any different because the people involved are now in the uk.
to be fair,looking at your response to nic d in relation to the "fellow travellers" comment ,i would have to assume that you are indeed incredibly stupid.
wc98 said:
first generation immigrants from countries such as Pakistan come from regimes where what we term as corruption is everyday standard practice,a completely different way of running things (supposedly) to how we do it in the uk . anyone that would vote for a politician of that background is stupid imo. it is not a racial slur,it is just the way it is.
Not racist? What rubbishFirstly the original comment was not about not voting for "first generation immigrants from countries such as Pakistan". It just stated "Muslim politician"
Secondly may I remind you that there was fair number of cases of politicians who were white, british born and from judaeo-christian backgrounds who were guilty of expenses fraud. Does that mean you wouldn't vote for politicians from that background?
Thirdly, categorising everyone by race, irrespective of their own individual behaviour is pretty much a definition of racism. And I remind you we have no evidence of his corruption as a politician apart from a vague accusation by UKIP. The e-mails Steve350C linked to don't mention him. Evidence may come out in the future, so we can deal with that then. But at the moment none.
So it was a racial slur, which you have repeated.
TKF said:
jogon said:
TKF said:
jogon said:
I personally would never vote for a Muslim politician
Just wowPH never fails to deliver
Deal with it. 
Whilst a candidate being muslim wouldn't affect me voting for him as a blanket rule, I think jogon is perfectly reasonable to exclude from consideration a person whose beliefs he doesn't identify with.
For the late arrivals, this is what set this little nonsense TKF off (he joined in at the end of, as it turned out, a series of mis-informed posts)
He apparently assumed I had miraculously divined he was a Romani and the use of 'fellow travellers' was a racial slur.
No matter that I repeatedly told him not, he has continued and ramped up a nasty and valueless tirade.
TKF said:
Do you realise that
a) the way you're wording that is utterly cringeworthy and makes you sound even more pompous than usual (quite the achievement),
b) it's Mrr T, not the actual Mr T you're demanding answers from and,
c) sucker.
NicD said
Are you giving me twonk 'grammar' lessons?
I write in a simple, methodical style so even stupid people can understand.
Sorry if you feel it pompous and cringeworthy.
Why don't you and fellow travellers make an actual contribution instead of your rather sad attempt to slag posters off.
He apparently assumed I had miraculously divined he was a Romani and the use of 'fellow travellers' was a racial slur.
No matter that I repeatedly told him not, he has continued and ramped up a nasty and valueless tirade.
TKF said:
Do you realise that
a) the way you're wording that is utterly cringeworthy and makes you sound even more pompous than usual (quite the achievement),
b) it's Mrr T, not the actual Mr T you're demanding answers from and,
c) sucker.
NicD said
Are you giving me twonk 'grammar' lessons?
I write in a simple, methodical style so even stupid people can understand.
Sorry if you feel it pompous and cringeworthy.
Why don't you and fellow travellers make an actual contribution instead of your rather sad attempt to slag posters off.
Yazar said:
TKF said:
jogon said:
TKF said:
jogon said:
I personally would never vote for a Muslim politician
Just wowPH never fails to deliver
Deal with it. Whilst a candidate being muslim wouldn't affect me voting for him as a blanket rule, I think jogon is perfectly reasonable to exclude from consideration a person whose beliefs he doesn't identify with.
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