UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[JustAnotherLogin]

NicD said:

I read them but they are internal working notes, not public 'allegations'.

Do we get to read the internal machinations in Labour or the Conservatives?
I am sure there have been plenty of juicy stories there.

Not that I care, but just for balance.

We can obviously only comment when leaked. Now they have been they are public documents, and the authors are subject to libel laws. And those people are UKIP officials.

Will UKIP stand behind their statements or discipline/expel them for making false allegations?
Given that UKIP have said that Bashir was interfering in selection, presumably they agree with them. If not they need to clarify very quickly what they are alleging

[steveT350C]

Just got up, first tweet I see is this.....

@GuidoFawkes: > @AmjadBashirMEP only vermin, like you, abuse hospitality food & drink then piss and st in same plate Mate, << Only one of us has ratted.

Anyone know what's going on?

EtA http://order-order.com/2015/01/25/amjad-bashir-acc...

Edited by steveT350C on Monday 26th January 08:44

[Axionknight]

[FiF]

Nobody comes out of this well, indeed it just confirms what I said months and months ago, probably more than a year ago thinking about it, that UKIP needed to smarten up their act member and candidate selection. Including past decisions in that they had cleared out some snakes in the grass but more still lurked.

Speaking of things said back in the past, and yes this is a Told yah so. Few months back when wrote about an imminent surge in Green support got ridiculed by some.

[brenflys777]

steveT350C said:

Just got up, first tweet I see is this.....

@GuidoFawkes: > @AmjadBashirMEP only vermin, like you, abuse hospitality food & drink then piss and st in same plate Mate, << Only one of us has ratted.

Anyone know what's going on?

EtA http://order-order.com/2015/01/25/amjad-bashir-acc...

Edited by steveT350C on Monday 26th January 08:44

Bashir's tweet was posted at 00:49.... do the local conservative bars stay open that late on a Sunday?

UKIP look awful for having promoted him and kept him for so long.

The conservatives may end up looking worse..

[JustAnotherLogin]

steveT350C said:

Anyone know what's going on?

In short, no.

I think there is still a lot more to come out on this whole saga. I agree that there is a strong chance that before long the Tories will remove the whip from Bashir. I think that UKIP have bigger problems in that constituency though.

And I certainly do want to hear more about whether Labour are indeed involved

And I see from that Guido page that the Guardian are alleging more such problems elsewhere in UKIP.

But then no-one expected a smooth, clean progression to May did they?

[brenflys777]

People want better but do expect ukip to be a bit amateurish in comparison to the older parties, but if that tweet is anything to go by, at least UKIP have got Bashir out before the GE. How many more are lurking in UKIP?

More to the point how desperate must Cameron be to try to get one over UKIP?

Absolutely delighted he was...

[FiF]

Anyway diverting from the Bashir balls up a good piece from an Electoral Reform Soc bloke pointing out that the first past the post system will fail democracy in the 2015GE

Things pointed out how SNP may get the third highest number of seats on less than a sixth of the vote.
How UKIP may end up with the third highest vote but fail to get out of single figures on seats.
How parties other than the big two may be getting more than 30% of the votes.
How the fragmentation of the vote may mean that some seats are won with record low shares which questions those candidates' mandates.



http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/generalelection/party-syste...

[JustAnotherLogin]

FiF said:

Things pointed out how SNP may get the third highest number of seats on less than a sixth of the vote.
How UKIP may end up with the third highest vote but fail to get out of single figures on seats.

The pedant in me would point out that both of those are possible with proportional representation.

Though I get the real point. But I don't think that the mandates can be questioned. It is not yet 4 years since the UK electorate overwhlemingly voted to keep FPTP. So we democratically accepted that this system, with its strengths and flaws, would be used. One can argue that true PR was not an option at that referendum, but that would have fared no better, that much was obvious.

That's democracy. In any election, many people, even a majority of people, don't like the result

[Zod]

968 said:

NicD said:

Thats OK then:

'Grant Shapps, the Conservative chairman, said claims that Ukip was about to suspend Amjad Bashir before he jumped ship were “complete nonsense” and that the Conservatives were satisfied Bashir had a clean record.'

But you're prepared to accept this man was a UKIP candidate for 2+ years? You think they didn't check him out? A bit shabby and incompetent, is it not?

Oh come on, 968, surely you understand that UKIP was going to suspend him on Friday anyway? It's pure coincidence that he defected on that day.

That said, I'd like to see more caution from the Conservatives before they welcome any UKIP defector; some will be unsavoury.

Edited by Zod on Monday 26th January 09:46

[JustAnotherLogin]

Have Respect put a copy of the application form on the web? or provided anything to support their claim?

Just wondering

[steveT350C]

Er, maybe check their website.......

http://www.respectparty.org/2015/01/25/bashir-was-...

[JustAnotherLogin]

steveT350C said:

Er, maybe check their website.......

http://www.respectparty.org/2015/01/25/bashir-was-...

I did, and couldn't see it there, hence the question

[968]

Zod said:

Oh come on, 968, surely you understand that UKIP was going to suspend him on Friday anyway? It's pure coincidence that he defected on that day.

That said, I'd like to see more caution from the Conservatives before they welcome any UKIP defector; some will be unsavoury.

Edited by Zod on Monday 26th January 09:46

So it took 2 years for them to check him out? That's pathetic. You'd think they would have been paying close attention to the quality of their candidates given how many disasters have occurred recently, from moronic comments from prospective ukip candidates. They may well have pushed him out but it's a bit late!

[jogon]

[Zod]

968 said:

Zod said:

Oh come on, 968, surely you understand that UKIP was going to suspend him on Friday anyway? It's pure coincidence that he defected on that day.

That said, I'd like to see more caution from the Conservatives before they welcome any UKIP defector; some will be unsavoury.

Edited by Zod on Monday 26th January 09:46

So it took 2 years for them to check him out? That's pathetic. You'd think they would have been paying close attention to the quality of their candidates given how many disasters have occurred recently, from moronic comments from prospective ukip candidates. They may well have pushed him out but it's a bit late!

Erm, I was being sarcastic about UKiP's sudden discovery of evidence.

[steveT350C]

Looks like UKIP new for 6 months about illegal immigrants working in Bashirs Resaurant.

http://order-order.com/2015/01/26/bashir-lied-abou...

[vonuber]

Assuming UKIP get their way and we leave the EU, what happens to all the EU citizens already here? Do they get leave to remain indefinitely?

[Scuffers]

vonuber said:

Assuming UKIP get their way and we leave the EU, what happens to all the EU citizens already here? Do they get leave to remain indefinitely?

not that this has not been covered at least 50 times before, BUT!

yes, those already legally here can stay.

[vonuber]

Scuffers said:

yes, those already legally here can stay.

So all of them then.