UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Countdown said:
MGJohn said:
I have followed this thread with interest from the start. If the multiplicity of opposing views here are a true reflection of those across the Nation then I now realise the Nation as a whole, rather than a decreasingly slim segment thereof, is ...... It's fate is both assured and deserved. Our International competitors know this and take full advantage. No Government can sort the huge mess out. Only the whole Team UK People can do that. If they have it in them.
There's the rub.
I may have misread your post but it seems that you think the UK is in pretty dire straits. It's not a picture I recognise.There's the rub.
Countdown said:
MGJohn said:
I have followed this thread with interest from the start. If the multiplicity of opposing views here are a true reflection of those across the Nation then I now realise the Nation as a whole, rather than a decreasingly slim segment thereof, is ...... It's fate is both assured and deserved. Our International competitors know this and take full advantage. No Government can sort the huge mess out. Only the whole Team UK People can do that. If they have it in them.
There's the rub.
I may have misread your post but it seems that you think the UK is in pretty dire straits. It's not a picture I recognise.There's the rub.
Edited by MGJohn on Monday 26th January 20:13
JustAnotherLogin said:
What a remarkable coincidence that UKIP should become aware/concerned about all these things at the same time.
For example the employment issue presumably relates to his restauant. They've had 6 months to investigate that. Whereas the candidate selction process was this week, so they've investigated that quickly - though failed to notice that Bashir isn't actually mentioned in the e-mails.
And the Bhutto thing goes back a year.
Yet they all come to a head this week. Amazing coincidence
You were the first to identify the nub of the matter!For example the employment issue presumably relates to his restauant. They've had 6 months to investigate that. Whereas the candidate selction process was this week, so they've investigated that quickly - though failed to notice that Bashir isn't actually mentioned in the e-mails.
And the Bhutto thing goes back a year.
Yet they all come to a head this week. Amazing coincidence
Today, by coincidence the BBC, Daily Mail, The Guardian and the Telegraph have all lost interest in this story.
Guido has spoken with Amjad Bashir by telephone this afternoon to ask him for a response to the slew of stories that have emerged about him over the last 48 hours. An extremely nervous sounding MEP refused to comment, pleading that he had been gagged his new party:
“I’m not allowed to give a statement. They have all the answers”.
When Guido asked if he had ever been a member of Respect, he hung up.
Zod said:
steveT350C said:
"The main old establishment parties, Labour, the Conservatives and the LibDems, led by Brussels and the EU, are all taking us to a destiny they do not yet want us to know about. And time is short to avoid their sinister plan."
More... https://www.the-newshub.com/stories/the-eu-the-rea...
Well, that has opened my eyes. What a balanced, well argued piece!More... https://www.the-newshub.com/stories/the-eu-the-rea...
at least we found out where XJFlyer ended upjust reading the 'EU Real Agenda' piece and this caught my eye (note, my bold):
'Immigration
The next step in the EU's domination of the nation states, has had a major effect on most of the richer nations of the EU. The European Union decided that there should be "free movement of people". The thinking here was, with the quiet agreement of the EU member states to allow any person to be able to live, work and settle in any other EU country.
Under this "principle", an individual who moves to another country is legally entitled to the services and benefits of that country, including the right to vote. If enough people move to another country, they can vote to ensure that their wishes are maintained, even against the wishes of the "indigenous" population.'
do you remember the muppet outpouring of faux outrage when I used the term, in just the same way. God, such mouth foaming, just over a word.
'Immigration
The next step in the EU's domination of the nation states, has had a major effect on most of the richer nations of the EU. The European Union decided that there should be "free movement of people". The thinking here was, with the quiet agreement of the EU member states to allow any person to be able to live, work and settle in any other EU country.
Under this "principle", an individual who moves to another country is legally entitled to the services and benefits of that country, including the right to vote. If enough people move to another country, they can vote to ensure that their wishes are maintained, even against the wishes of the "indigenous" population.'
do you remember the muppet outpouring of faux outrage when I used the term, in just the same way. God, such mouth foaming, just over a word.
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
MGJohn said:
I have followed this thread with interest from the start. If the multiplicity of opposing views here are a true reflection of those across the Nation then I now realise the Nation as a whole, rather than a decreasingly slim segment thereof, is ...... It's fate is both assured and deserved. Our International competitors know this and take full advantage. No Government can sort the huge mess out. Only the whole Team UK People can do that. If they have it in them.
There's the rub.
I may have misread your post but it seems that you think the UK is in pretty dire straits. It's not a picture I recognise.There's the rub.
Have to admit I have mostly voted Labour during my now well past three score years and ten. For numerous reasons, never again.
jogon said:
Zod said:
n the real world, unlike UKIP, Syriza led in every poll.
What happened in the last two by elections and European elections?Greece has ended the traditional 2 party system will we be next.
Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
rs1952 said:
jogon said:
Zod said:
n the real world, unlike UKIP, Syriza led in every poll.
What happened in the last two by elections and European elections?Greece has ended the traditional 2 party system will we be next.
Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
Most of your lot that were saying that prior to the EU elections have shut up, those that didn't have done since seeing the multiple by-election results including 2 wins and then the polls too. Why are you still talking, and with examples that are incomparable?rs1952 said:
Yeah, right...
Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
the traditional two party system is no longer working for the uk as a whole . while it is unlikely ukip are the answer they do serve a purpose .the establishment needs a shake up ,more of the same will just lead to greater contempt for the electorate . Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
Yazar said:
rs1952 said:
jogon said:
Zod said:
n the real world, unlike UKIP, Syriza led in every poll.
What happened in the last two by elections and European elections?Greece has ended the traditional 2 party system will we be next.
Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
Most of your lot that were saying that prior to the EU elections have shut up, those that didn't have done since seeing the multiple by-election results including 2 wins and then the polls too. Why are you still talking, and with examples that are incomparable?This time going to be different? Well, many punters think this is the most unpredictable GE in years.
Why?
Think about it.
European Transport Commissioner Violeta Bulc wants a standardised driving tax across all EU member states. Vehicle owners would be charged for every mile driven under a high-tech scheme based on satellite-tracking systems.
All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
NicD said:
European Transport Commissioner Violeta Bulc wants a standardised driving tax across all EU member states. Vehicle owners would be charged for every mile driven under a high-tech scheme based on satellite-tracking systems.
All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
That was always how Galileo was going to be funded, it's not really any kind of news. The EU is a massive kleptocracy and it concerns me that so many cannot apparently see it.All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
Einion Yrth said:
That was always how Galileo was going to be funded, it's not really any kind of news. The EU is a massive kleptocracy and it concerns me that so many cannot apparently see it.
No matter though because we've all had our vote on a third party being able to exercise such control over our country, right?Zod said:
With hindsight, yes, but at the time, he was uncharacteristically honest for Heath.
You seem as confident on the situation as Heath clearly was, since he didn't bother asking the public their opinion at the polls despite him saying the following in 1970 about further integration into Europe: "except with the full-hearted consent of the Parliaments and peoples of the new member countries".So he did lie about our inclusion into the EEC. As the country had to wait until the Labour party were in power (of all things) for their promised referendum.
Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 27th January 07:35
NicD said:
European Transport Commissioner Violeta Bulc wants a standardised driving tax across all EU member states. Vehicle owners would be charged for every mile driven under a high-tech scheme based on satellite-tracking systems.
All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
Seems to be a perfectly reasonable idea to me, better than the system we have which penalises people for owning a car rather than driving it.All the cash would go directly to Brussels before being shared out to national governments to spend on maintaining transport networks.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/554441/Moto...
FredClogs said:
Seems to be a perfectly reasonable idea to me, better than the system we have which penalises people for owning a car rather than driving it.
Not using it? SORN!Although I have to agree to an extent, personally I think it should be abolished and added onto the price of fuel, in my simplistic view of things, the more thirsty and polluting your car is, or the more you use it, the more you'll pay!
Axionknight said:
Although I have to agree to an extent, personally I think it should be abolished and added onto the price of fuel, in my simplistic view of things, the more thirsty and polluting your car is, or the more you use it, the more you'll pay!
Far too obvious and straightforward.Bill said:
Axionknight said:
Although I have to agree to an extent, personally I think it should be abolished and added onto the price of fuel, in my simplistic view of things, the more thirsty and polluting your car is, or the more you use it, the more you'll pay!
Far too obvious and straightforward.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff