UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[dandarez]

Axionknight said:

Seems a bit daft to put a Tory baner up if you are supporting UKIP, just dont put one up if you feel that way, its not like he is voting for the Nazi Party is it - is he ashamed of his political leanings?

Believe you me, round here voting Kipper 'is' viewed like voting Nazi, certainly far, far worse than voting Labour. His farmland is not in the middle of nowhere you know. He just does not want the snide comments. I don't blame him, I have had a lot myself, but I don't give a toss.
Where is this place I am talking about?
Cameron town!

[Esseesse]

Axionknight said:

Seems a bit daft to put a Tory baner up if you are supporting UKIP, just dont put one up if you feel that way, its not like he is voting for the Nazi Party is it - is he ashamed of his political leanings?

I wouldn't put a UKIP board up because I fear the kind hearted, soft and fluffy, 'anti fascist' left putting a brick through my window.

[dandarez]

Zod said:

Yes, dandarez, I know you dream of a UKIP victory, but it's not going to happen.

As for the rest, just remember who won the 1989 Euro elections. It was Neil Knnock.

I do not dream of a UKIP victory. I'm not that naive.

But chrise, you 'are' in for a bloody shock!
People like me who have lived through this two-party yo-yo for years have something in common, I get the opportunity to speak to many of them and we're sick to death of it, and nothing is going to prevent an opportunity like this being missed!
Time to wake them up, big time.

No, of course UKIP won't be victorious (outside No 10 I mean).

Neither will CMD.

Neither will Millipede.

Wait and see.

[JustAnotherLogin]

How many seats do you think UKIP will win Dandarez?

Steve350. Apologies - I had completely forgotten about the calculations I promised. Its been a hectic week. I'll get back on to them tonight

[allergictocheese]

dandarez said:

Neither will CMD.

Neither will Millipede.

Wait and see.

One of those two will be PM after the election. The more votes polled by UKIP, the more likely the latter.

Whether that is a good or bad thing depends on your personal opinion. It may or may not be a reason to hold off voting tactically, again, depending on your personal opinion.

[dandarez]

Esseesse said:

Axionknight said:

Seems a bit daft to put a Tory baner up if you are supporting UKIP, just dont put one up if you feel that way, its not like he is voting for the Nazi Party is it - is he ashamed of his political leanings?

I wouldn't put a UKIP board up because I fear the kind hearted, soft and fluffy, 'anti fascist' left putting a brick through my window.

Strange you should say that, but the guy I mentioned above - Early last year I'd initially showed his wife some UKIP leaflets when we were chatting in the local. The look of fear as she passed them back to me, 'No, no, no Dan. Not here, show me when we have a coffee later.'

[JustAnotherLogin]

You have said this before Dandarez. Oddly I have the opposite experience. Kippers seem to want to tell you their voting intentions whether or not you want to know - or whether it is the time or place.

[p1esk]

Axionknight said:

Einion Yrth said:

That was always how Galileo was going to be funded, it's not really any kind of news. The EU is a massive kleptocracy and it concerns me that so many cannot apparently see it.

No matter though because we've all had our vote on a third party being able to exercise such control over our country, right?

Zod said:

With hindsight, yes, but at the time, he was uncharacteristically honest for Heath.

You seem as confident on the situation as Heath clearly was, since he didn't bother asking the public their opinion at the polls despite him saying the following in 1970 about further integration into Europe: "except with the full-hearted consent of the Parliaments and peoples of the new member countries".

So he did lie about our inclusion into the EEC. As the country had to wait until the Labour party were in power (of all things) for their promised referendum.

.... a referendum that yielded only a small majority in favour of staying in.

[Axionknight]

A majority is a majority, though.

[turbobloke]

Einion Yrth said:

That was always how Galileo was going to be funded, it's not really any kind of news. The EU is a massive kleptocracy and it concerns me that so many cannot apparently see it.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Still be interested to know many seats you think UKIP will win dandarez

[steveT350C]

You are going to like this Axionknight....

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/736

CONDUCT OF AMJAD BASHIR

Session: 2014-15
Date tabled: 26.01.2015
Primary sponsor: Galloway, George

Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 27th January 15:49

[wc98]

dandarez said:

...and some not only shut up, they realised they would lose money - so confident, one wagered a hundred (or was it two-hundred?) quid!

This time going to be different? Well, many punters think this is the most unpredictable GE in years.

Why?
Think about it.

these threads are not the same without breadvans contributions

[Axionknight]

steveT350C said:

You are going to like this Axionknight....

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/736

CONDUCT OF AMJAD BASHIR

Session: 2014-15
Date tabled: 26.01.2015
Primary sponsor: Galloway, George

Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 27th January 15:49

[Axionknight]

wc98 said:

these threads are not the same without breadvans contributions

Speaking of which, where is XJFlyer? I miss my daily dose of ultra protectionist clap trap.

[Zod]

Axionknight said:

wc98 said:

these threads are not the same without breadvans contributions

Speaking of which, where is XJFlyer? I miss my daily dose of ultra protectionist clap trap.

banned for the crap he posted in the Paris terrorism threads, where he managed to connect his protectionist rubbish with his view of the causes of, and solutions to, Islamist terrorism.

[NoNeed]

what happen to breadvan?

[WinstonWolf]

JustAnotherLogin said:

WinstonWolf said:

Digga said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Why does it matter that stuff like steel making with its low salaries, horrible working conditions and low profits are replaced by highly paid jobs in pharmaceuticals, aerospace, space etc? Is there something wrong with the fact that these jobs are done in nice air condition offices in safety rather than hot dangerous factories?

Ah yes, the loony left idea that every student is graduate material and that working jobs are no longer needed in the economy. When the education system starts reliably churning out 100% output of GCSE C+ students, we might consider that a viable idea, but until then, you need to find jobs for all working-age participants.

It might stagger someone who has never had a real job to know that there are a good many working men and women in manual trades who would not swap for a 'nice' office.

It's surprising how little of the world some people know.

I suspect I have rather more experience of heavy industry than you. And I plainly have a lot more experience of the sort of office of which I am talking, when there are lots of non-graduate jobs in them, and in many more industries

If the pay and conditions in those industries were so wonderful, why did the unions bring those industries to their knees with their ever higher demands. So that they could keep "parity" with other industries with which they have nothing in common.


UKIP talk the talk about the left behind workers. The answer is not to hark back to low paid **** jobs that no-one actually wants. You can see that by the attitudes of so many of them. We should be looking to raise education standards so that there are more choices for everyone, and expand new industries where the workers might actually get paid the sort of wage they want.

Those industries did not collapse because of Thatcher, or high energy prices or any claptrap like that. Apart from the fact that many heavy industries are bigger now than they ever were in monetary terms (if not as % of GDP), they have shrunk as % of GDP or in real terms because of higher costs (labour, safety); and unions. Go dig out the figures of turnover per year. The shrinkage such that there was started before Thatcher, went on after her and before the newer energy policies.

Its ironic that these views hark back to the heyday of the UK and its industrial might. The leaders of that might then are the ones that would be leading new industries now.

Then you suspect wrong because I left school and went straight into engineering via an apprenticeship

You ever worked in a foundry? Bloody good fun, but more than a little dangerous. Oh, and by work I actually mean pouring molten metal straight from the furnace...

[steveT350C]

Axionknight said:

steveT350C said:

You are going to like this Axionknight....

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/736

CONDUCT OF AMJAD BASHIR

Session: 2014-15
Date tabled: 26.01.2015
Primary sponsor: Galloway, George

Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 27th January 15:49

[Scuffers]

WinstonWolf said:

Then you suspect wrong because I left school and went straight into engineering via an apprenticeship

You ever worked in a foundry? Bloody good fun, but more than a little dangerous. Oh, and by work I actually mean pouring molten metal straight from the furnace...

I remember going on a trip round a steel works as a school leaver (looking at apprenticeships etc)

whilst we were there, they were tapping a blast furnace, we were some 100+yds away, and it was still scary as s**t!

one of the statistics I remember from the day was that on average, they 'lost' 2½ people a month.

kind of puts todays values in perspective..