UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
allergictocheese said:
"Reaffirming British laws, rather than allowing dual-track legal systems for minorities in the UK"
Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as 'British Law' and there is no dial-track system for minorities.
Really, who on earth has forgotten to vet this Jim Royal wish list?
Did you not get the email? When the police arrest you they HAVE to offer you a choice of legal systems. All the Muslims go to Muslim court and they get off with loads....Nigel's gunna put a stop to this!Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as 'British Law' and there is no dial-track system for minorities.
Really, who on earth has forgotten to vet this Jim Royal wish list?
Thank god it's only 14% of the country which seems to struggle with critical thinking.
Countdown said:
They're designed to appeal on first sight but a lot of them are meaningless and many will increase public spending.
98 is b
ks but designed to appeal to the knee jerk frothers. 100 is meaningless - rebalance how, exactly? 83 is nonsensical - what is stopping parliament from voting on GM foods? 35 could potentially double prison costs but this is going to be paid for by cutting taxes.....
It makes Labour look both genuine and fiscally competent by comparison.
Not really, it's simply a brief overview to give people an idea on where they stand. Typos (:rofl) aside its hardly the sort of release to require mega scrutiny, as it doesn't cover facts and figures, wait for their manifesto and its details for that I'd say.98 is b
ks but designed to appeal to the knee jerk frothers. 100 is meaningless - rebalance how, exactly? 83 is nonsensical - what is stopping parliament from voting on GM foods? 35 could potentially double prison costs but this is going to be paid for by cutting taxes.....It makes Labour look both genuine and fiscally competent by comparison.
Zod said:
Most of them are either obvious consequences of leaving the EU, vague platitudes or Tory policy. 35 amused me the most, given that it would require massive numbers of parole staff.
remind me again what % of our prison population is EU nationals (ex. UK)?was watching a bit earlier this week about just how many Jamaicans we have locked up and the lack of progress getting them sent back home (we are even paying for the prisons to be built there!)
Zod said:
Most of them are either obvious consequences of leaving the EU, vague platitudes or Tory policy. 35 amused me the most, given that it would require massive numbers of parole staff.
Evidently a lot of people feel otherwise, and that is why they will be voting UKIP rather than Tory in May.
Scuffers said:
WinstonWolf said:
Then you suspect wrong because I left school and went straight into engineering via an apprenticeship 
You ever worked in a foundry? Bloody good fun, but more than a little dangerous. Oh, and by work I actually mean pouring molten metal straight from the furnace...
I remember going on a trip round a steel works as a school leaver (looking at apprenticeships etc)You ever worked in a foundry? Bloody good fun, but more than a little dangerous. Oh, and by work I actually mean pouring molten metal straight from the furnace...
whilst we were there, they were tapping a blast furnace, we were some 100+yds away, and it was still scary as s**t!
one of the statistics I remember from the day was that on average, they 'lost' 2½ people a month.
kind of puts todays values in perspective..
steveT350C said:
The LIbLabConEU
Whatever that is. UKIP supporters want the UK to exit the EU, a reduction of immigration, the preservation of the Union with Scotland and more right-wing social policies in the UK. Why would they therefore think it's a good idea to cast their vote in a way that, in some constituencies, will pretty much guarantee the opposite?
The UK voted decisively against proportional representation a year or two back. It is clear that the electorate favours a system which is more likely to deliver single-party government. Unlike many countries, we don't do coalitions particularly well. If UKIP wants to get power in such an environment, they are going to have to broaden their appeal. All they will do with 15% of the vote is act to destabilise the political landscape, and unfortunately at the moment the most likely result of such destabilisation is a Labour/SNP coalition.
Yazar said:
rs1952 said:
jogon said:
Zod said:
n the real world, unlike UKIP, Syriza led in every poll.
What happened in the last two by elections and European elections?Greece has ended the traditional 2 party system will we be next.
Just like the liberals ended the traditional two-party system in Orpington in 1962
Just like the SDP ended the traditional two-party system in the early 80s
Just like the lib dems ended the traditional two-party system in 2010
But this time it's going to be different, right?
Dream on ...
Most of your lot that were saying that prior to the EU elections have shut up, those that didn't have done since seeing the multiple by-election results including 2 wins and then the polls too. Why are you still talking, and with examples that are incomparable?
Moving on. I don't know who you consider "my lot" to be, so I can neither agree nor disagree with your statement. But one of the very few things I will agree with dandarez over is that opinion polls don't matter - the result of the GE is the one that matters. And anybody who looks at the EU election results, or the by-elections where UKIP have only won when they have a former tory who has defected to them, and from that "evidence" predicts a massive move to UKIP that results in them winning substantial numbers of seats is living in cloud cuckoo land.
I first got interested in politics when Rab Butler put his name forward for Harold MacMillan's job, so 50 years give or take a few months. And in every parliamentary session since then, I have seen the incumbent government get a good kicking in by elections and in intervening local elections. In more recent years we have also had the EU elections for the electorate to hand out a good kicking to the incumbents.
They are wrong, but many people think that the only election that really matters is a GE, and how they voted in local and EU and by-elections since the last GE may have little or no bearing on how they will vote in the next GE.
But even if people do continue to vote for UKIP in the GE, the party still has the problem that the liberals and then the lib dems have had from almost time immemorial - under FPTP there is a magic percentage of the electorate that you have to get on board, otherwise your support will not translate into seats. The kippers might be right of course, and that magic figure will be passed and UKIP end up with more MPs than the two sitting Tory defectors that they've got in parliament at the moment. My guess is that they won't but, as dan says, we will all be put out of our misery one way or another sometime on May 8th.
History is on my side in this, so the question has to be is this really a "sea change" in British politics, or will it go the way of all the other "sea changes" that I listed in the last half century? Gambling is the only vice I haven't got, but if I were a betting man my money would go on "as you were, status quo chaps." We will find out for certain in about 100 days time.
Gaspode said:
steveT350C said:
The LIbLabConEU
Whatever that is. UKIP supporters want the UK to exit the EU, a reduction of immigration, the preservation of the Union with Scotland and more right-wing social policies in the UK. Why would they therefore think it's a good idea to cast their vote in a way that, in some constituencies, will pretty much guarantee the opposite?
The UK voted decisively against proportional representation a year or two back. It is clear that the electorate favours a system which is more likely to deliver single-party government. Unlike many countries, we don't do coalitions particularly well. If UKIP wants to get power in such an environment, they are going to have to broaden their appeal. All they will do with 15% of the vote is act to destabilise the political landscape, and unfortunately at the moment the most likely result of such destabilisation is a Labour/SNP coalition.
Yes please.
Countdown said:
Cutting wasteful spending by local authorities by supporting free bus passes for pensioners from local authorities.
Geographical knowledge about arrse and elbow seems lacking.
If you are going to argue against UKIP then you should at least learn to read/c&p correctly.Geographical knowledge about arrse and elbow seems lacking.
22. Supporting bus passes for pensioners with the support of local authorities.
skeggysteve said:
Countdown said:
Cutting wasteful spending by local authorities by supporting free bus passes for pensioners from local authorities.
Geographical knowledge about arrse and elbow seems lacking.
If you are going to argue against UKIP then you should at least learn to read/c&p correctly.Geographical knowledge about arrse and elbow seems lacking.
22. Supporting bus passes for pensioners with the support of local authorities.
(I combined two policies for the benefit of those with short attention spans)dandarez said:
The opinion polls don't matter. The one that matters is on 7 May.
A year and half ago nobody believed UKIP could gain a single MP. Nobody said they'd win the Euros (some did say they would be close again).
This coming GE is absolutely unpredictable. Sky this morning are predicting 10 LibDims and 2 UKIP. 2!!!
They really do need to poll some ordinary people. But if, like here, it is anything to go by, many are keeping mum. I know several who won't put their head above the parapet and come out clean that they will be voting Kipper. In one conversation at the local last week, a 'known' Tory voter who has changed his intentions (just a couple of us know) but won't let on, said he would still be putting up the board on his land (a Tory one!). His land is alongside a main route here. As the results come in he will be aghast, shocked, shake his head. Then go to bed laughing!!
A shock is coming. Wait and see!
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!A year and half ago nobody believed UKIP could gain a single MP. Nobody said they'd win the Euros (some did say they would be close again).
This coming GE is absolutely unpredictable. Sky this morning are predicting 10 LibDims and 2 UKIP. 2!!!
They really do need to poll some ordinary people. But if, like here, it is anything to go by, many are keeping mum. I know several who won't put their head above the parapet and come out clean that they will be voting Kipper. In one conversation at the local last week, a 'known' Tory voter who has changed his intentions (just a couple of us know) but won't let on, said he would still be putting up the board on his land (a Tory one!). His land is alongside a main route here. As the results come in he will be aghast, shocked, shake his head. Then go to bed laughing!!
A shock is coming. Wait and see!
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