UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Zod]

rs1952 said:

I find it amusing to be possibly considered a troll

Don't worry. Some of them cry troll whenever someone disagrees with The MASTER's party. I imagine some of them even report us to the mods.

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

So who do you think currently holds the reigns of power in the UK?

You tell us; is it Derek Hatton?

[Zod]

smegmore said:

Why do you believe that? After all we've just had 5 years of Darling Dave and his wonderful team of expert economists and political gurus who have dragged the country back from the brink of the abyss b

Yes, that is a decent summary. I'd lose the flowery bits though.

[Zod]

turbobloke said:

DeanR32 said:

wc98 said:

TKF said:

Nobody is coming out of this Bashir thing well.

Firstly he was selected as a Respect candidate. Then deselected him when Galloway discovered he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest". Erm, wouldn't it have been an idea to find out if he was suitable before selecting him?

Then he joined UKIP and got onto their candidate list. Then elected as a UKIP MEP. Then made the party's small and medium business spokesman and their communities spokesman. He was there for 2yrs and nobody noticed something was up. Or if they did (and it seems they did a while back) rather than expel him they were happy to have him until very recently. Maybe to play the "Where's Amjad?" get-out-of-racism card.

Now Cameron has welcomed him with open arms, again seemingly without any due diligence and simply to grab some anti-UKIP headlines.

Lastly Bashir himself appears to be a bit of a dick.

When an event can make Milliband and Clegg look good you just know it's bad.

a good example of the lack of principles in politics today.

What TKF said, 100%

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

relevance of your point to my post?

I though you were clever enough to figure that out for yourself?

[rs1952]

Zod said:

rs1952 said:

I find it amusing to be possibly considered a troll

Don't worry. Some of them cry troll whenever someone disagrees with The MASTER's party. I imagine some of them even report us to the mods.

Although I'm not sure where that would get them - "free speech" and all that.

I once reported dan4l's incessant postings of "all lib dems are kiddie fiddlers" to the mods on the basis that they were both slanderous and totally inaccurate. He did it so often I started to wonder whether he was falling into the "he protestesh too much" category and might have had something to hide...

Fat lot of good that did me...

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

relevance of your point to my post?

I though you were clever enough to figure that out for yourself?

Where has the list of 100 mind-blowing policies gone? I assumed that 35 was the statement that parole should be on a case-by-case basis. Nothing in my post deals with EU vs non-EU prisoners.

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Zod said:

Where has the list of 100 mind-blowing policies gone? I assumed that 35 was the statement that parole should be on a case-by-case basis. Nothing in my post deals with EU vs non-EU prisoners.

Try harder...

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

Where has the list of 100 mind-blowing policies gone? I assumed that 35 was the statement that parole should be on a case-by-case basis. Nothing in my post deals with EU vs non-EU prisoners.

Try harder...

Look, I know you're old, but I don't think you're as old as Dan Dare, so you should be able to see that the post with the 100 amazing policies has disappeared.

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Zod said:

Look, I know you're old, but I don't think you're as old as Dan Dare, so you should be able to see that the post with the 100 amazing policies has disappeared.

Come again?

As you seem to have issues with memory:

http://www.ukip.org/100_days_till_the_election_100...

[JustAnotherLogin]

Zod said:

Look, I know you're old, but I don't think you're as old as Dan Dare, so you should be able to see that the post with the 100 amazing policies has disappeared.

Not hard to find the list though

http://www.ukip.org/100_days_till_the_election_100...

are these now official UKIP policies, or are we only supposed to look at the first 10?
Just that it states: With 100 days to the election, here are the first 10 of 100 great reasons to vote UKIP

And then lists 100. Including such gems as
95. Emphasising the immediate need to utilise forgotten British infrastructure like Manston Airport

Which has the triple benefit of being totally vague; having no real basis in need (there is a reason why all the airlines stopped using it); being for the benefit of Thanet.
Thanet? isn't there a prominent politician campaigning there?

[DeanR32]

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

DeanR32 said:

wc98 said:

TKF said:

Nobody is coming out of this Bashir thing well.

Firstly he was selected as a Respect candidate. Then deselected him when Galloway discovered he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest". Erm, wouldn't it have been an idea to find out if he was suitable before selecting him?

Then he joined UKIP and got onto their candidate list. Then elected as a UKIP MEP. Then made the party's small and medium business spokesman and their communities spokesman. He was there for 2yrs and nobody noticed something was up. Or if they did (and it seems they did a while back) rather than expel him they were happy to have him until very recently. Maybe to play the "Where's Amjad?" get-out-of-racism card.

Now Cameron has welcomed him with open arms, again seemingly without any due diligence and simply to grab some anti-UKIP headlines.

Lastly Bashir himself appears to be a bit of a dick.

When an event can make Milliband and Clegg look good you just know it's bad.

a good example of the lack of principles in politics today.

What TKF said, 100%

Can I get an advance on two nodding smilies? Anyone?

And where's this 100 policy list we all talking about?

[dandarez]

Zod said:

Look, I know you're old, but I don't think you're as old as Dan Dare, so you should be able to see that the post with the 100 amazing policies has disappeared.

Hey, hang on Zod, that's a lot of ageism reference to a wise old head.

Still, one thing: at least Dan Dare is patriotic British through and through (Eagle 1950)

Zod is not so old, but he's old enough (DC Comics 1961) to know better, that's why he's always on the losing side!

[Gaspode]

Axionknight said:

Gaspode said:

It's a bugger this democracy, isn't it? If your views don't tally with the majority, you are always going to fail to get the government you want. At 15% of the vote, this is a stone cold certainty. Your only choice is which type of government do you find least offensive?

By all means vote UKIP if that's what you want. if you are in a constituency where the UKIP candidate has a fair chance of winning, then it's got to be worth a shot to get one of your people into Westminster. But if you're not, then a bit of careful thought about the likely outcome is probably worth engaging in.

No, it isn't.

So what other outcome can you obtain by exercising your vote, given that we have a FPTP system and your preferences are not shared by a sufficiently large proportion of other voters?

I repeat my analysis: if UKIP wants to get into power, it's going to have to increase the proportion of people who support it. To do this, it's going to have to attract people who don't currently support it. FPTP electoral systems favour centrist parties, they are the only ones able to appeal to sufficiently large numbers of people.

[NicD]

Gaspode said:

So what other outcome can you obtain by exercising your vote, given that we have a FPTP system and your preferences are not shared by a sufficiently large proportion of other voters?

I repeat my analysis: if UKIP wants to get into power, it's going to have to increase the proportion of people who support it. To do this, it's going to have to attract people who don't currently support it. FPTP electoral systems favour centrist parties, they are the only ones able to appeal to sufficiently large numbers of people.

This does seem rather obvious.
Dont ignore the 'influence' factor though. The other parties changing course to reduce their losses. Also, the coalition options.

In any case, people (on here) will vote UKIP because they believe in the policies and are afraid of the alternatives.

[Gaspode]

NicD said:

In any case, people (on here) will vote UKIP because they believe in the policies and are afraid of the alternatives.

Yes, and in a way I almost feel sorry for them. But in a constituency where there isn't a big difference between Labour and Conservatives, voting UKIP is more likely to deliver a Labour MP to Westminster than it is to deliver a Tory - hence my contention that by doing so they are more likely to get the complete opposite of what they want (remaining in the EU, no controls on immigration, more economic incompetence) rather than a watered-down version of what they want from the Conservatives.

Campaign with your heart, Vote with your head.

[2013BRM]

Ah, the tactical vote, look, this is a crock because neither Cameron nor Miliband will take us out of the EU. CMD, like any politician, will say anything to win. You have to play the long game as tactical voting is music to the current lots ears and has kept the status quo for decades. Vote with your heart and head

[Countdown]

JustAnotherLogin said:

And then lists 100. Including such gems as
95. Emphasising the immediate need to utilise forgotten British infrastructure like Manston Airport

Which has the triple benefit of being totally vague; having no real basis in need (there is a reason why all the airlines stopped using it); being for the benefit of Thanet.
Thanet? isn't there a prominent politician campaigning there?

We should have a thread about "pointless policy statements which mean nothing in reality but will appeal to the Facebook generation". I'll start

1. Foreigners who kick puppies will be DEPORTED
2. We will really really really care about children, old people, and army veterans.

[PRTVR]

Gaspode said:

NicD said:

In any case, people (on here) will vote UKIP because they believe in the policies and are afraid of the alternatives.

Yes, and in a way I almost feel sorry for them. But in a constituency where there isn't a big difference between Labour and Conservatives, voting UKIP is more likely to deliver a Labour MP to Westminster than it is to deliver a Tory - hence my contention that by doing so they are more likely to get the complete opposite of what they want (remaining in the EU, no controls on immigration, more economic incompetence) rather than a watered-down version of what they want from the Conservatives.

Campaign with your heart, Vote with your head.

As has been many times before the problem for the Conservatives is not UKIP, but their very own policy's and the fact that people do not trust Cameron.

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PRTVR said:

As has been many times before the problem for the Conservatives is not UKIP, but their very own policy's and the fact that people do not trust Cameron.

Exactly.

If the Tories actually went eurosceptic and instigated a referendumon the same day as the GE, Ukip vote would likely evaporate.