UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you're absolutely right. The UKIP party hierarchy could sack her without getting agreement from Farage and hire someone else, if they wanted to.

Nope. Didn't think so.

So, tell us, how does this affect UKIP's policies?

Can't say, apparently we're not allowed to talk about them if we've previously criticised them as being more vacuous than Jordan's twitter account.

Damn. Did it again. Sorry

[NoNeed]

allergictocheese said:

I haven't said that it does. I merely pointed out that any criticism of David Cameron for having family members' benefit from his political career applies equally to any other politician who might do the same including, in particular, Nigel Farage.

Or is it different with our Nige? After all, every prominent politician only has their wife act as their secretary, yeah?

When you control the policy that decides another family members income that your wife and yourself could one day inherit at the cost of the general public you are in effect in a conflict of interest.


Farages wife working for the same party is nothing like that.

[allergictocheese]

NoNeed said:

UKIP hierarchy could sack sir nige if they so desire.



I am not a kipper I am a pro EU conservative but I detest they way people are spreading bullst like it's fact where UKIP are concerned, Don't you realise you do more for the growth of UKIP than any UKIP campaign could.

No. No, they could not. Nigel Farage is UKIP. Without him, the party would simply implode.

As for growth of UKIP, that's down to the Tories and Labour forgetting who they answer to and behaving as if power is the most important thing rather than serving the country. This has allowed the simple and jingoistic nonsense spouted by UKIP to gain traction with all of those who're rightly fed up with their main parties. In red and blue hunting the so called middle ground, the voices of those on the left and right have been ignored. UKIP fill the void by trying to be all things to all people.

This thread is full of people who've historically supported red or blue and have become disenfranchised.

The rise of UKIP could be ended by the main two parties actually having the balls to express a proper opinion and considering their electorate before themselves.

And, like you, this is from a dyed in the wool, pro-EU, conservative.

[Mojocvh]

"The rise of UKIP could be ended by the main two parties actually having the balls to express a proper opinion and considering their electorate before themselves"

Like that is going to ever happen.

Vote for Change on the Seventh of May.

May. Quite ironic don't you think?

[Scuffers]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Scuffers said:

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you're absolutely right. The UKIP party hierarchy could sack her without getting agreement from Farage and hire someone else, if they wanted to.

Nope. Didn't think so.

So, tell us, how does this affect UKIP's policies?

Can't say, apparently we're not allowed to talk about them if we've previously criticised them as being more vacuous than Jordan's twitter account.

Damn. Did it again. Sorry

No answer then?

This is why we get miffed off with you, you never answer a straight question, and usually go off at a tangent when challenged.

[NicD]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Odd, even a cursory pick of a few random pages shows you calling people "mentally challenged" or an "a***hole".

So we must not insult UKIP supporting posters on here, even though you insult those who are not
We must not insult Farage, even though every other politician is allowed to be insulted in these threads
We must not pick apart UKIPs policies, even though you are allowed to criticise those of other parties

Back again.


Right, since you are being Duracell.

which 'random' pages? I make a lot of posts, very few of them have those words in them. If I was a troublemaker, the mods would sanction me. Hasn't happened even though a couple of posters tried it on.

where are the posts where 'every other politician is insulted'?

where do UKIP supporters regularly ' criticise those of other parties'?

You started off many weeks ago fairly reasoned and fact based, now you are reaching the gratuitous parody of the other tag team UKIP 'baiters'.

Thing is, it's water off a ducks back.
All the stupidity just raises a chuckle.

We are secure in our position.
i have taken pains to say, its too early to predict the outcome of the election and I may not even vote UKIP.

All i want is a good (but not too long winded) discussion, but the low level of some of the posts makes that difficult.

[Mojocvh]

Scuffers said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Scuffers said:

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you're absolutely right. The UKIP party hierarchy could sack her without getting agreement from Farage and hire someone else, if they wanted to.

Nope. Didn't think so.

So, tell us, how does this affect UKIP's policies?

Can't say, apparently we're not allowed to talk about them if we've previously criticised them as being more vacuous than Jordan's twitter account.

Damn. Did it again. Sorry

No answer then?

This is why we get miffed off with you, you never answer a straight question, and usually go off at a tangent when challenged.

Il ne est pas charlie...

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

s2art said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

A levie like this is aimed at changing behaviour, not raising tax. Whether or not you think the govt should be changing that behaviour I will take as irrelevant for this question as it has not been asked. The predominance of private PV installations is roughly proportional to energy usage of the household- which one would expect- so it is impacting behaviour where it is needed most. Though aggregators actually tip the balance the other way- so one could argue the subsidisation there is the other way. So take your stats and twist to get the answer you want. As I say, I think it is meaningless

Not meaningless to those in fuel poverty, or to those companies which are energy intensive. BTW when you say 'changing behaviour' do you mean eating less to be able to afford heating? Or do you mean companies relocating to other countries with saner energy policies, taking the jobs and investment with them?

I didn't explain that well. Let me try again. It is not unfair to the poor because the overall tax regime is very progressive. It isn't unfair just because a single tax is regressive (which this and others are) as long as the overall impact of taxation is progressive. That is the case in the UK. So, no, it is not unfai

What an utterly heartless post!

Up to 30,000 elderly people die each winter because they cannot afford to keep warm.

Do you really believe that your political views are more important than their lives?

You should be ashamed.

Wind farm and Solar subsidies are added to our electricity and gas bills. Many pensioners cannot afford the artificially inflated prices... and so they die.

Meanwhile, Ed Davey and other lefties are telling us that untold millions will die in the future.

You seem to believe him.

[steveT350C]

The UK is being screwed to the extent of £185billion a year due to the LibLabCon establishment's commitment to the EU.

http://www.timcongdon4ukip.com/docs/EU2014.pdf

Justanotherlogin, please provide your revised cost................

This is the fourth time I have asked; after you said you had the numbers, but not to hand.....

LibLabCon = Fake

You cannot fake this smile

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 31st January 21:46

[Esseesse]

What's the deficit at the moment?

[don4l]

Zod said:

NicD said:

Thats the funny thing, i am generally relaxed about the other parties, after all, I have voted for most of them over the years.

I support UKIP, i don't put down everyone else, except perhaps when prodded.

I have little interest to denigrate the other parties on their fanboy threads.

And if no fanboy thread, you can always start it.

the thing is that nobody has started a fanboy thread for any party other than UKIP. I know there's a thread about the Tories, but it's not a fanboy thread.

It isn't a fanboy thread because Tories don't have anything positive to say to us.

You are all deeply ashamed of your (PPE) leader.

Rightly so.

The best reason that you give us to vote Tory is to keep Labour out of office.

Margaret Thatcher told us that she would put Britain back to work.

... and she did just that.

Dave Cameron told us that we would have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.

... and we didn't.


Now, instead of telling us why we shouldn't vote UKIP, why don't you tell us why we should vote Tory?

[JustAnotherLogin]

Scuffers said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Scuffers said:

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you're absolutely right. The UKIP party hierarchy could sack her without getting agreement from Farage and hire someone else, if they wanted to.

Nope. Didn't think so.

So, tell us, how does this affect UKIP's policies?

Can't say, apparently we're not allowed to talk about them if we've previously criticised them as being more vacuous than Jordan's twitter account.

Damn. Did it again. Sorry

No answer then?

This is why we get miffed off with you, you never answer a straight question, and usually go off at a tangent when challenged.

You're complaining because I didn't answer how something someone else posted, affects UKIP policies in a way I way I never asserted it did.

I'll include a smilie for you next time

[JustAnotherLogin]

steveT350C said:

The UK is being screwed to the extent of £185billion a year due to the LibLabCon establishment's commitment to the EU.

http://www.timcongdon4ukip.com/docs/EU2014.pdf

Justanotherlogin, please provide your revised cost................

This is the fourth time I have asked; after you said you had the numbers, but not to hand.....

LibLabCon = Fake

You cannot fake this smile

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 31st January 21:46

I never said that. I said I was finding difficulty getting the input data in order to make the calculation. I haven't had time and frankly now I can't be arsed for you lot. You would ignore them if I did. Just not worth it and life is too short.

I've pointed out several huge fallacies in Congdon's numbers.

So throw your worst insults at me for that. I couldn't give a damn.

[Mojocvh]

Esseesse said:

What's the deficit at the moment?

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

increasing at £5k per second.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Mojocvh said:

Esseesse said:

What's the deficit at the moment?

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

increasing at £5k per second.

http://bit.ly/1tMuaJ3

[NicD]

JustAnotherLogin said:

I've pointed out several huge fallacies in Congdon's numbers.

could you summarise these please?

Could you give your estimate (fag packet is fine) of the total annual cost or benefit of the UK belonging to the EU? State the detailed breakdown of how you arrived at the total and the year it refers to.

Lets look at this topic clearly to provide some leadership for this thread.

Edited by NicD on Sunday 1st February 07:25

[968]

steveT350C said:

The UK is being screwed to the extent of £185billion a year due to the LibLabCon establishment's commitment to the EU.

http://www.timcongdon4ukip.com/docs/EU2014.pdf

Justanotherlogin, please provide your revised cost................

This is the fourth time I have asked; after you said you had the numbers, but not to hand.....

LibLabCon = Fake

You cannot fake this smile

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 31st January 21:46

That's the funniest thing I've read all year. Farage is the epitome of fake. An invented character who produces policies based on what is popular each week. Al Murrays pub landlord is less fictitious than this ex-banker pretending to be a 'man of the people'. It's astonishing how naive and entirely brainwashed ukip supporters are if they think he offers any change at all. He's the ultimate politician, which means he's the best liar of all.

[Scuffers]

968 said:

That's the funniest thing I've read all year. Farage is the epitome of fake. An invented character who produces policies based on what is popular each week. Al Murrays pub landlord is less fictitious than this ex-banker pretending to be a 'man of the people'. It's astonishing how naive and entirely brainwashed ukip supporters are if they think he offers any change at all. He's the ultimate politician, which means he's the best liar of all.

Not sure how you can say that when it's easy to go onto YouTube and look at his speakers etc from years ago.

Just how many times has he been proved right with his predictions?

If he was making it up as you suggest, how do you explain this?

[968]

Scuffers said:

Not sure how you can say that when it's easy to go onto YouTube and look at his speakers etc from years ago.

Just how many times has he been proved right with his predictions?

If he was making it up as you suggest, how do you explain this?

Because he's a politician who will lie as he breathes. He will spin anything to fit his narrative. And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power. I'm just continually amazed how naive you are and how fanboy ish this thread has become. It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty no matter how pathetic the policy decision reversal is. I forget are they privatising the NHS this week or increasing funding by £3bn? What's the zeitgeist? Oh it's increasing funding. Let's do that then and blame it on the EU.

Oh and his speeches from years past are the same populist nonsense that he thought would win him votes.

[NicD]

968 said:

Because he's a politician who will lie as he breathes. He will spin anything to fit his narrative. And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power. I'm just continually amazed how naive you are and how fanboy ish this thread has become. It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty no matter how pathetic the policy decision reversal is. I forget are they privatising the NHS this week or increasing funding by £3bn? What's the zeitgeist? Oh it's increasing funding. Let's do that then and blame it on the EU.

Oh and his speeches from years past are the same populist nonsense that he thought would win him votes.

'Because he's a politician who will lie as he breathes' where is your evidence Big Mouth?
'He will spin anything to fit his narrative' - it doesn't matter what he spins if you or anyone can disprove it
'And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power' clearly, so can you.
'It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty' in your opinion, perhaps.
'how pathetic the policy decision reversal ' - so a party shouldn't change its policies? Which party would that be?