UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
NicD said:
'Because he's a politician who will lie as he breathes' where is your evidence Big Mouth?
'He will spin anything to fit his narrative' - it doesn't matter what he spins if you or anyone can disprove it
'And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power' clearly, so can you.
'It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty' in your opinion, perhaps.
'how pathetic the policy decision reversal ' - so a party shouldn't change its policies? Which party would that be?
and the pattern continues, any dissent in the sycophantic nature of this thread, then it gets into personal territory, 'big mouth'?'He will spin anything to fit his narrative' - it doesn't matter what he spins if you or anyone can disprove it
'And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power' clearly, so can you.
'It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty' in your opinion, perhaps.
'how pathetic the policy decision reversal ' - so a party shouldn't change its policies? Which party would that be?
My evidence is that his policy decisions are laughable. He changes his policy on a weekly basis depending on what is popular, which shows no integrity or actual belief in any of his policies (perhaps apart from the anti-EU). Nick Clegg was in the same position as Farage in 2010, he talked a lot of b
ks too, which was very populist and made him very popular, and hey presto, he turned his back on nearly all of his key electoral promises. Farage will be the same. The sycophancy is self evident by your highly immature response, taking criticism of Farage as a personal slight, which is very sad. With regards to the NHS, he should stand by his actual convictions, if he has any, ie if he thinks it should be privatised, he should say so and stick with it, not realise that the policy will alienate labour defectors so therefore, think hmm, better not say that, because it will lose some votes.968 said:
Nick Clegg was in the same position as Farage in 2010, he talked a lot of bks too, which was very populist and made him very popular, and hey presto, he turned his back on nearly all of his key electoral promises. Farage will be the same.
I disagree. Farage will not be the same. There is no evidence that he has even the remotest possibility of having the same opportunity as Clegg.ks too, which was very populist and made him very popular, and hey presto, he turned his back on nearly all of his key electoral promises. Farage will be the same. If you had said "Farage would be the same" then I would agree
968 said:
and the pattern continues, any dissent in the sycophantic nature of this thread, then it gets into personal territory, 'big mouth'?
My evidence is that his policy decisions are laughable. He changes his policy on a weekly basis depending on what is popular, which shows no integrity or actual belief in any of his policies (perhaps apart from the anti-EU). Nick Clegg was in the same position as Farage in 2010, he talked a lot of bks too, which was very populist and made him very popular, and hey presto, he turned his back on nearly all of his key electoral promises. Farage will be the same. The sycophancy is self evident by your highly immature response, taking criticism of Farage as a personal slight, which is very sad. With regards to the NHS, he should stand by his actual convictions, if he has any, ie if he thinks it should be privatised, he should say so and stick with it, not realise that the policy will alienate labour defectors so therefore, think hmm, better not say that, because it will lose some votes.
Did you complete your schooling?My evidence is that his policy decisions are laughable. He changes his policy on a weekly basis depending on what is popular, which shows no integrity or actual belief in any of his policies (perhaps apart from the anti-EU). Nick Clegg was in the same position as Farage in 2010, he talked a lot of b
ks too, which was very populist and made him very popular, and hey presto, he turned his back on nearly all of his key electoral promises. Farage will be the same. The sycophancy is self evident by your highly immature response, taking criticism of Farage as a personal slight, which is very sad. With regards to the NHS, he should stand by his actual convictions, if he has any, ie if he thinks it should be privatised, he should say so and stick with it, not realise that the policy will alienate labour defectors so therefore, think hmm, better not say that, because it will lose some votes.Do you understand the meaning of 'evidence' vs hysterical opinion?
how about this:
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
don4l said:
It isn't a fanboy thread because Tories don't have anything positive to say to us.
You are all deeply ashamed of your (PPE) leader.
Rightly so.
The best reason that you give us to vote Tory is to keep Labour out of office.
Margaret Thatcher told us that she would put Britain back to work.
... and she did just that.
Dave Cameron told us that we would have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.
... and we didn't.
Now, instead of telling us why we shouldn't vote UKIP, why don't you tell us why we should vote Tory?
I have never heard any other reason to vote tory party apart from keeping labour outYou are all deeply ashamed of your (PPE) leader.
Rightly so.
The best reason that you give us to vote Tory is to keep Labour out of office.
Margaret Thatcher told us that she would put Britain back to work.
... and she did just that.
Dave Cameron told us that we would have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.
... and we didn't.
Now, instead of telling us why we shouldn't vote UKIP, why don't you tell us why we should vote Tory?
Well i am considering voting tory for an entirely NEW reason
It might keep the SNP out of my local seat
so now we have TWO reasons to vote tory
Can anyone get the total up to three?
NicD said:
Did you complete your schooling?
Do you understand the meaning of 'evidence' vs hysterical opinion?
how about this:
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Yet again the inability to comment without producing an insult. It does you little credit. Indeed it's rather pathetic. Do you understand the meaning of 'evidence' vs hysterical opinion?
how about this:
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
968 said:
Yet again the inability to comment without producing an insult. It does you little credit. Indeed it's rather pathetic.
I am afraid it is you who need the credit. All you do is make outrageous slurs with no facts and then bleat about insults.you started with claiming Mr Farage lied as he breathed. i.e. everything he speaks is a lie. I strongly object to that unless you have evidence to back it up.
If you listed the instances where he was untruthful together with the fact based evidence, we would have no choice but to accept it.
and so for your other rants, you need to get a grip. This is a discussion forum, not somewhere for you to blow off.
968 said:
Because he's a politician who will lie as he breathes. He will spin anything to fit his narrative. And he can say what he likes because he will never be in power. I'm just continually amazed how naive you are and how fanboy ish this thread has become. It's sycophancy to the ultimate. Unquestioning loyalty no matter how pathetic the policy decision reversal is. I forget are they privatising the NHS this week or increasing funding by £3bn? What's the zeitgeist? Oh it's increasing funding. Let's do that then and blame it on the EU.
Oh and his speeches from years past are the same populist nonsense that he thought would win him votes.
now your getting as pathetic as the twonks on twater!Oh and his speeches from years past are the same populist nonsense that he thought would win him votes.
NHS, Ukip have only ever had one policy, period.
Yes, they have had many discussions over other options for funding it, BUT, they have only had one policy. are you suggesting that no party should ever have discussions around alternatives? (if only to rule them out).
the £3Bn was clear, from the money they would save by quitting the EU, £3Bn would be pushed at the NHS. is that not clear enough for you or do you need a personal signed pledge handed to you personally?
the fact you bring this one up just demonstrates you're just doing the lazy t055er impression of picking the latest manufactured argument.
As for his old speeches, do you live in some kind of alternate reality?
did he not predict with some accuracy the current Greek crisis, the Ukraine crisis, the Euro troubles, the list goes on.
more recently, when we opened the door to Romania, did he not predict the numbers, was absolutely pilloried for it at the time, 12 months later he was proved to be spot on.
or are you going to deny all of this as just pot luck and rhetoric?
what does he have to do before you shut up and actually take note?
you (along with others on here) seem to be trying to hold him up to a standard that Jesus Christ could not manage, yet at the same time, totally ignore the fact that the alternatives (CMD/Millipead/Balls/etc) have proven failings, many times, that are completely un-arguable.
So, lets have it, who do you currently support and what ave they done to garner this blind support you appear to have?
Scuffers said:
NHS, Ukip have only ever had one policy, period.
Really?So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
NicD said:
I am afraid it is you who need the credit. All you do is make outrageous slurs with no facts and then bleat about insults.
you started with claiming Mr Farage lied as he breathed. i.e. everything he speaks is a lie. I strongly object to that unless you have evidence to back it up.
If you listed the instances where he was untruthful together with the fact based evidence, we would have no choice but to accept it.
and so for your other rants, you need to get a grip. This is a discussion forum, not somewhere for you to blow off.
So because I criticise Farage, you have to take it personally? How adult of you. As for getting a grip, yes this is a discussion thread and I can voice my opinion which is critical of ukip as much as you can continue to believe anything he says without question, like a true zealot. you started with claiming Mr Farage lied as he breathed. i.e. everything he speaks is a lie. I strongly object to that unless you have evidence to back it up.
If you listed the instances where he was untruthful together with the fact based evidence, we would have no choice but to accept it.
and so for your other rants, you need to get a grip. This is a discussion forum, not somewhere for you to blow off.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Really?
So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
you should know better.So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
try again.
NicD said:
Did you complete your schooling?
Do you understand the meaning of 'evidence' vs hysterical opinion?
how about this:
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
On a thread about UKIP!Do you understand the meaning of 'evidence' vs hysterical opinion?
how about this:
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Do you understand the meaning of the word "irony"?
968 said:
So because I criticise Farage, you have to take it personally? How adult of you. As for getting a grip, yes this is a discussion thread and I can voice my opinion which is critical of ukip as much as you can continue to believe anything he says without question, like a true zealot.
excellent, a discussion. Still no sign of evidence/facts though.Now show anywhere where I indicate I 'continue to believe anything he says without question, like a true zealot. '
Countdown said:
On a thread about UKIP!
Do you understand the meaning of the word "irony"?
numbnuts have said this before as if they were Steven Hawking, but talk is cheap. At least JALI makes the effort to back up his assertions (though I would like to see a reply to mine earlier this morning)Do you understand the meaning of the word "irony"?
Scuffers said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Really?
So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
you should know better.So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
try again.
Your statement was very very clear, I was merely pointing out that it was completely false.
Reading the assertion, once again, that this is simply a UKIP fan boy thread thought it might be worthwhile reading back a bit to check out a recent impression.
It's been the case that it has seemed for sometime that rabid anti-UKIPers, together with posters who have stated they aren't UKIP supporters / voters but have sympathy with a few of their policies, completely outnumbered the clear UKIP supporters.
So an unscientific survey has shown that impression is correct. Furthermore there are a number of what seemed to be UKIPers who have stopped posting. Is that they have changed allegiance, is it that they are just determined to make their mark at the ballot box? I don't know but as others have observed there does seem to be some support that, for some reason doesn't totally tie in with the polls. Again completely unscientific impression but one which concern me about the accuracy of the polling in some areas.
Amongst all this we have the completely accurate post from NoNeed yesterday evening who observed distaste for the rubbish and untruths that were being posted against UKIP potentially hardening support. Yet that sensible advice has clearly been ignored with further vacuous frothing this morning.
It's been the case that it has seemed for sometime that rabid anti-UKIPers, together with posters who have stated they aren't UKIP supporters / voters but have sympathy with a few of their policies, completely outnumbered the clear UKIP supporters.
So an unscientific survey has shown that impression is correct. Furthermore there are a number of what seemed to be UKIPers who have stopped posting. Is that they have changed allegiance, is it that they are just determined to make their mark at the ballot box? I don't know but as others have observed there does seem to be some support that, for some reason doesn't totally tie in with the polls. Again completely unscientific impression but one which concern me about the accuracy of the polling in some areas.
Amongst all this we have the completely accurate post from NoNeed yesterday evening who observed distaste for the rubbish and untruths that were being posted against UKIP potentially hardening support. Yet that sensible advice has clearly been ignored with further vacuous frothing this morning.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Really?
So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
you should know better.So is that the policy to introduce county health boards, elected every 4 years?
Abolish primary care trusts, ambulance trusts, ambulance service trusts
Put out to tender key services such as long term care and GP surgeries
I ask because that is what is in the last UKIP manifesto that mentions the NHS, and you said they "have only ever had one policy, period". So I assume that must still be it
try again.
Your statement was very very clear, I was merely pointing out that it was completely false.
What in it is contrary to current UKIP policy?
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