UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[TKF]

NicD said:

Did you forget to include the rest of the article?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=1480200&mid=37893&nmt=PLEASE+DO+NOT+COPY+AND+PASTE+FROM+NEWS+SITES

Regardless it's yet another example of UKIP having to say sorry for yet another political blunder. I almost feel sorry for Farage sometimes.

[McWigglebum4th]

TKF said:

Regardless it's yet another example of UKIP having to say sorry for yet another political blunder. I almost feel sorry for Farage sometimes.

You want real people in politics

Expect real mistakes


You want plastic cutouts who never say anything outside the party line

Then vote Tory

[NicD]

TKF said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Regardless it's yet another example of UKIP having to say sorry for yet another political blunder. I almost feel sorry for Farage sometimes.

a. You should have stated the retraction, instead of faux crowing.

b. How is it a 'political blunder'?

[TKF]

McWigglebum4th said:

TKF said:

Regardless it's yet another example of UKIP having to say sorry for yet another political blunder. I almost feel sorry for Farage sometimes.

You want real people in politics

Expect real mistakes


You want plastic cutouts who never say anything outside the party line

Then vote Tory

Real mistakes

Yep, that pretty much describes UKIP. It could almost be their tagline.

As it happens if your "real people" are ones that get a little racist and homophobic when they're on painkillers, or blame flooding on gay marriage, or want gays to be cured by doctors, or say immigrants will be returned home, or talk about EU migrants taking jobs whilst employing EU migrants, or sing Calypsos, or post on the BNP website how gays are perverts and paedophiles, and dozens of other examples, then, well, you can keep your "real people".

[NicD]

TKF said:

Real mistakes

Yep, that pretty much describes UKIP. It could almost be their tagline.

As it happens if your "real people" are ones that get a little racist and homophobic when they're on painkillers, or blame flooding on gay marriage, or want gays to be cured by doctors, or say immigrants will be returned home, or talk about EU migrants taking jobs whilst employing EU migrants, or sing Calypsos, or post on the BNP website how gays are perverts and paedophiles, and dozens of other examples, then, well, you can keep your "real people".

Oh yes, much rather have people like you, hysterical exaggerations and misinterpretations, not apologising for nasty unfounded comments .

Oh yes, you are an example to us all.

[TKF]

What an odd comment. I'm not standing for election you weird little man.

[JustAnotherLogin]

I see the Kippers are ignoring my post pointing out the inconvenient fact that no-one stopped Farage's right to free speech. He could have said what he wanted then, or at another time. All they did was stop him walking out of a building at a certain time.

If Farage wants to say something, I don't think he will have a problem finding some journos to record and broadcast it, do you?

[NicD]

TKF said:

What an odd comment. I'm not standing for election you weird little man.

weird?
little?
Do you have a mirror?

You have not apologised for the blind stupidity of repeatedly confusing my 'fellow travellers' comment with something about your background then making a completely unfounded and nasty insult to me.

so not odd at all.

[NicD]

JustAnotherLogin said:

I see the Kippers are ignoring my post pointing out the inconvenient fact that no-one stopped Farage's right to free speech. He could have said what he wanted then, or at another time. All they did was stop him walking out of a building at a certain time.

If Farage wants to say something, I don't think he will have a problem finding some journos to record and broadcast it, do you?

Fatuous.

Was he not prevented from freedom of movement by a group of self interested bullies?
How can you defend this?

[RedTrident]

McWigglebum4th said:

TKF said:

Regardless it's yet another example of UKIP having to say sorry for yet another political blunder. I almost feel sorry for Farage sometimes.

You want real people in politics

Expect real mistakes


You want plastic cutouts who never say anything outside the party line

Then vote Tory

There's mistakes and then there are prejudices that UKIP is trying and failing to keep a lid on. I'm not for one minute suggesting that UKIP as a policy supports some of the views of its members but surely official UKIP channels should not be used to share these? If it continues then I think it will harm UKIP more than help them. I might be Euro sceptic but I sure as hell am not going to vote for a Euro sceptic party that appears to be also a bunch of bigots.

[TKF]

Freedom of movement? Isn't that an EU thing you all hate so much?

Anyway, back to UKIP - The Future. Well it seems the future will contain fewer candidates than this time last week and yet another is forced to resign over racist/homophobic statements. http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/dismissed-ukip-cand...

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

I see the Kippers are ignoring my post pointing out the inconvenient fact that no-one stopped Farage's right to free speech. He could have said what he wanted then, or at another time. All they did was stop him walking out of a building at a certain time.

If Farage wants to say something, I don't think he will have a problem finding some journos to record and broadcast it, do you?

We were ignoring your post out of kindness.

We didn't want to draw attention to your monumental stupidity.

[NoNeed]

Scuffers said:

NoNeed said:

handpaper said:

Really?

Do you know of another law for our free speech?

Its been common law for years before.

http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/government/constituti...

Its not like we did not have it till 1998.

I'm not sure how common law works, it is unwritten laws of some sort?

[allergictocheese]

NicD said:

Fatuous.

Was he not prevented from freedom of movement by a group of self interested bullies?
How can you defend this?

It was on the advice of the Police that Farage didn't do his ribbon cutting. Being the ever popular, man of the people, Farage had a hate mob outside who he felt wanted to kick him in. Like the ones in Swansea and Edinburgh.

Considering this is the fourth time this has happened in 10 months, most people would have learned from the experiences. Yet Farage keeps doing the same thing again and again.

Of course, you could say it's his human right to do what he's doing, however UKIP wants to withdraw from human rights, so it's a bit glib wanting to be protected by something you supposedly (puts finger in the air to check which way wind is blowing today) fundamentally disagree with.

[Timsta]

NoNeed said:

I'm not sure how common law works, it is unwritten laws of some sort?

Yep. Exactly like that. There is no law that says you are allowed to have chips for tea on a Saturday. Why would you need one. Laws should only cover what you can't do.

[Scuffers]

NoNeed said:

I'm not sure how common law works, it is unwritten laws of some sort?

have you even attempted to look it up?

No, you're once again trying to make a point where one does not exist.

first answer from Google kind of covers it:

Google said:

British Common law, also called traditional law, is law that has evolved from decisions of English courts going back to the Norman Conquest in 1066. These earlier decisions set "precedents," which are used in future cases of a similar nature.

[Timsta]

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you could say it's his human right to do what he's doing, however UKIP wants to withdraw from human rights, so it's a bit glib wanting to be protected by something you supposedly (puts finger in the air to check which way wind is blowing today) fundamentally disagree with.

Source?

[NoNeed]

Scuffers said:

NoNeed said:

I'm not sure how common law works, it is unwritten laws of some sort?

have you even attempted to look it up?

No, you're once again trying to make a point where one does not exist.

first answer from Google kind of covers it:

Google said:

British Common law, also called traditional law, is law that has evolved from decisions of English courts going back to the Norman Conquest in 1066. These earlier decisions set "precedents," which are used in future cases of a similar nature.

You seem to be looking for an argument of some sort where all I did was ask a question, and yes I did try to find an English free speech law, but they don't seem to exists hence my question.

The poster above did more to answer the question, and he did it in a nice polite manner.


So going on from your later/last point, If common law has been decided by a judge you will no doubt be able to direct me to a ruling by a judge on free speech as all rulings are recorded.

[NoNeed]

Timsta said:

allergictocheese said:

Of course, you could say it's his human right to do what he's doing, however UKIP wants to withdraw from human rights, so it's a bit glib wanting to be protected by something you supposedly (puts finger in the air to check which way wind is blowing today) fundamentally disagree with.

Source?

Frist line of law and order. UKIP will withdraw from the european court of human rights http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people



and in addition

We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals.

Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 8th February 12:31

[Scuffers]

NoNeed said:

Scuffers said:

NoNeed said:

I'm not sure how common law works, it is unwritten laws of some sort?

have you even attempted to look it up?

No, you're once again trying to make a point where one does not exist.

first answer from Google kind of covers it:

Google said:

British Common law, also called traditional law, is law that has evolved from decisions of English courts going back to the Norman Conquest in 1066. These earlier decisions set "precedents," which are used in future cases of a similar nature.

You seem to be looking for an argument of some sort where all I did was ask a question, and yes I did try to find an English free speech law, but they don't seem to exists hence my question.

The poster above did more to answer the question, and he did it in a nice polite manner.


So going on from your later/last point, If common law has been decided by a judge you will no doubt be able to direct me to a ruling by a judge on free speech as all rulings are recorded.

yes, polite but wrong.

Common law is not unwritten, it's just not instigated by an act of parliament or the like.

Common law has evolved with every high court judgment (as precedents are set).