UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
don4l said:
You are the person that has made unfounded allegations of impropriety against one of the few honest politicians in Britain. Why don't you feel the need to back up your nastiness?
You seem to think that it is acceptable to make up wild accusations, and then you challenge anyone who mocks your stupidity to prove you wrong.
Really! You are quite insane!
Exaggerated hyperbole or what?You seem to think that it is acceptable to make up wild accusations, and then you challenge anyone who mocks your stupidity to prove you wrong.
Really! You are quite insane!
Impropriety?
Does he keep getting into such situations? Yes
Is the world conspiring against him? No
Is he very unlucky? Possibly
Or is he just a bit of a prat?
That is my opinion. But you stated as a categorical fact that it was arranged months ago. Doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for evidence
rs1952 said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Whilst your opinions about Cameron are presumably worthless for the same reason? odd you keep spouting them then.
Many of Dan's posts on this thread remind me of Brian's disciples in a certain film...You watch yourself now, you might get a bloody great whack with a fish when you're not expecting it!
As for login (I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel) re my opinions of CMD.
Have you 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with Mr Farage? I thought so.
Have I 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with CMD? Yes.
I think that gives me a slight edge in the opinions stakes, eh?
Not really, we aren't judging on whether we would like to go for a pint (I can't imagine either would score highly) but on whether they have coherent policies and will be good for the country. Remember, Kippers were going on about policies not personalities. Well up until the policies were shown to be the mix of specious rubbish and superficial empty phrases they are.
But since you are here Dandarez, I have asked you about 3 times how many MPs you think UKIP will have after the election. care to answer this time?
But since you are here Dandarez, I have asked you about 3 times how many MPs you think UKIP will have after the election. care to answer this time?
JustAnotherLogin said:
Exaggerated hyperbole or what?
Impropriety?
Does he keep getting into such situations? Yes
Is the world conspiring against him? No
Is he very unlucky? Possibly
Or is he just a bit of a prat?
That is my opinion. But you stated as a categorical fact that it was arranged months ago. Doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for evidence
Whilst the world is unlikely to be conspiring against UKIP, there are groups in this country that are. The SWP (three lies for the price of one, there) have long campaigned against all but the leftest and regard UKIP as a dangerous resurgence of the Right. Impropriety?
Does he keep getting into such situations? Yes
Is the world conspiring against him? No
Is he very unlucky? Possibly
Or is he just a bit of a prat?
That is my opinion. But you stated as a categorical fact that it was arranged months ago. Doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for evidence
JustAnotherLogin said:
But since you are here Dandarez, I have asked you about 3 times how many MPs you think UKIP will have after the election. care to answer this time?
Well, they say that a week is a long time in politics. However, at this point I expect UKIP to win 30-35 seats. Even if they only win 20, then I feel that they will have achieved something worthwhile.Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
But since you are here Dandarez, I have asked you about 3 times how many MPs you think UKIP will have after the election. care to answer this time?
Well, they say that a week is a long time in politics. However, at this point I expect UKIP to win 30-35 seats. Even if they only win 20, then I feel that they will have achieved something worthwhile.Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
handpaper said:
Whilst the world is unlikely to be conspiring against UKIP, there are groups in this country that are. The SWP (three lies for the price of one, there) have long campaigned against all but the leftest and regard UKIP as a dangerous resurgence of the Right.
One minor party that hate UKIP does not a conspiracy make. They have hated the Tories for longer and more more deeply than UKIP have ever imagineddandarez said:
That's life my friend.
You watch yourself now, you might get a bloody great whack with a fish when you're not expecting it!
As for login (I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel) re my opinions of CMD.
Have you 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with Mr Farage? I thought so.
Have I 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with CMD? Yes.
I think that gives me a slight edge in the opinions stakes, eh?
DanYou watch yourself now, you might get a bloody great whack with a fish when you're not expecting it!
As for login (I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel) re my opinions of CMD.
Have you 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with Mr Farage? I thought so.
Have I 'personally' seen, talked, dealt with CMD? Yes.
I think that gives me a slight edge in the opinions stakes, eh?
Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended – without malice.
We hold completely different views on UKIP and the EU that is true, but we are of much the same age (give or take a year or two), we are in broadly the same sphere of business, and we don’t live that far apart – my first wife moved to Burford in 1987 and I spent rather a lot of years going there for child access visits, and I know your neck of the woods quite well. It is pretty true blue Tory country – that’s why your prospective parliamentary candidate in the next election is likely to get re-elected by a sizeable majority. Most of us know who he is – he stands at the despatch box most Wednesdays and argues with Ed Milliband...
On this thread you come over a something of a zealot. Within the last couple of weeks you have posted that “a lot” of Tory supporters in your constituency are going to vote UKIP but are afraid of letting “the party” know. That in itself is nothing unusual – I once knew a bloke who was an activist for Labour (not in any way my party BTW). He had one hell of a problem with trying to get Labour supporters to put a poster up in Badminton (“the Duke in “The Big House” wouldn’t like it, you see”). Needless to say, Labour never did particularly well in South Gloucestershire in those days (mid-1970s) and the best that UKIP can hope for is to make tiny dent in CMD’s majority in Witney. There are other seats around the country where they may do well, but yours isn’t one of them.
I used the word “zealot” above – one definition of a zealot I once read was somebody who redoubles his effort when he’s forgotten his cause. All of your posts appear to be “bigging up” UKIP support with your remarks such as “wait and see come next May” and also trying to belittle UKIPs critics ( for example take tonight about JALI – “I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel”). This does not suggest that you are interested in a rational form of debating – it suggests a “fingers in ears la-la-I’m-not-listening-to-you” approach, and this doesn’t help UKIP’s cause one jot.
If you don’t agree with JALI or me or Zod or all the others that’s fine – that’s debate for you – but make a convincing case for the alternative view. What you currently do on this thread doesn’t do it.
I left the most important point until last. About 18 months ago I needed a publisher to help me with a certain project. I thought about contacting you about it, but a company in Peterborough got the job instead because their proprietor wasn’t instantly recognisable on PH banging on with his pro-UKIP meanderings.
Take my advice or leave it, it means nothing to me. But on the internet, none of us are quite as anonymous as we might like to think we are...
You need not have wasted all your time keying that!
My apologies, but if you re-read my 'bit', you'll see I aimed it at 'Login' (justanotherlogin) ...not you.
Never mind.
I'm off to have a glass of Gold Top and get the butter out. Seems I was right about that too!
Healthy eating, another con that brainwashed this nation. Oh, if you're wondering what the hell is Dan on about now, see the front pages tomorrow.
Oh, and by the way... work doesn't hinder my ramblings. Probably why I'm still in business. Since 87.
My apologies, but if you re-read my 'bit', you'll see I aimed it at 'Login' (justanotherlogin) ...not you.
Never mind.
I'm off to have a glass of Gold Top and get the butter out. Seems I was right about that too!
Healthy eating, another con that brainwashed this nation. Oh, if you're wondering what the hell is Dan on about now, see the front pages tomorrow.
Oh, and by the way... work doesn't hinder my ramblings. Probably why I'm still in business. Since 87.
Edited by dandarez on Monday 9th February 22:49
rs1952 said:
Dan
Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended – without malice.
We hold completely different views on UKIP and the EU that is true, but we are of much the same age (give or take a year or two), we are in broadly the same sphere of business, and we don’t live that far apart – my first wife moved to Burford in 1987 and I spent rather a lot of years going there for child access visits, and I know your neck of the woods quite well. It is pretty true blue Tory country – that’s why your prospective parliamentary candidate in the next election is likely to get re-elected by a sizeable majority. Most of us know who he is – he stands at the despatch box most Wednesdays and argues with Ed Milliband...
On this thread you come over a something of a zealot. Within the last couple of weeks you have posted that “a lot” of Tory supporters in your constituency are going to vote UKIP but are afraid of letting “the party” know. That in itself is nothing unusual – I once knew a bloke who was an activist for Labour (not in any way my party BTW). He had one hell of a problem with trying to get Labour supporters to put a poster up in Badminton (“the Duke in “The Big House” wouldn’t like it, you see”). Needless to say, Labour never did particularly well in South Gloucestershire in those days (mid-1970s) and the best that UKIP can hope for is to make tiny dent in CMD’s majority in Witney. There are other seats around the country where they may do well, but yours isn’t one of them.
I used the word “zealot” above – one definition of a zealot I once read was somebody who redoubles his effort when he’s forgotten his cause. All of your posts appear to be “bigging up” UKIP support with your remarks such as “wait and see come next May” and also trying to belittle UKIPs critics ( for example take tonight about JALI – “I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel”). This does not suggest that you are interested in a rational form of debating – it suggests a “fingers in ears la-la-I’m-not-listening-to-you” approach, and this doesn’t help UKIP’s cause one jot.
If you don’t agree with JALI or me or Zod or all the others that’s fine – that’s debate for you – but make a convincing case for the alternative view. What you currently do on this thread doesn’t do it.
I left the most important point until last. About 18 months ago I needed a publisher to help me with a certain project. I thought about contacting you about it, but a company in Peterborough got the job instead because their proprietor wasn’t instantly recognisable on PH banging on with his pro-UKIP meanderings.
Take my advice or leave it, it means nothing to me. But on the internet, none of us are quite as anonymous as we might like to think we are...
I wonder if I am alone in finding this to be a deeply unpleasant post.Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended – without malice.
We hold completely different views on UKIP and the EU that is true, but we are of much the same age (give or take a year or two), we are in broadly the same sphere of business, and we don’t live that far apart – my first wife moved to Burford in 1987 and I spent rather a lot of years going there for child access visits, and I know your neck of the woods quite well. It is pretty true blue Tory country – that’s why your prospective parliamentary candidate in the next election is likely to get re-elected by a sizeable majority. Most of us know who he is – he stands at the despatch box most Wednesdays and argues with Ed Milliband...
On this thread you come over a something of a zealot. Within the last couple of weeks you have posted that “a lot” of Tory supporters in your constituency are going to vote UKIP but are afraid of letting “the party” know. That in itself is nothing unusual – I once knew a bloke who was an activist for Labour (not in any way my party BTW). He had one hell of a problem with trying to get Labour supporters to put a poster up in Badminton (“the Duke in “The Big House” wouldn’t like it, you see”). Needless to say, Labour never did particularly well in South Gloucestershire in those days (mid-1970s) and the best that UKIP can hope for is to make tiny dent in CMD’s majority in Witney. There are other seats around the country where they may do well, but yours isn’t one of them.
I used the word “zealot” above – one definition of a zealot I once read was somebody who redoubles his effort when he’s forgotten his cause. All of your posts appear to be “bigging up” UKIP support with your remarks such as “wait and see come next May” and also trying to belittle UKIPs critics ( for example take tonight about JALI – “I wish he wouldn't, it would save us from his drivel”). This does not suggest that you are interested in a rational form of debating – it suggests a “fingers in ears la-la-I’m-not-listening-to-you” approach, and this doesn’t help UKIP’s cause one jot.
If you don’t agree with JALI or me or Zod or all the others that’s fine – that’s debate for you – but make a convincing case for the alternative view. What you currently do on this thread doesn’t do it.
I left the most important point until last. About 18 months ago I needed a publisher to help me with a certain project. I thought about contacting you about it, but a company in Peterborough got the job instead because their proprietor wasn’t instantly recognisable on PH banging on with his pro-UKIP meanderings.
Take my advice or leave it, it means nothing to me. But on the internet, none of us are quite as anonymous as we might like to think we are...
We should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
I wonder if I am alone in finding this to be a deeply unpleasant post.
We should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.
Bit rich from someone who on this very page has called me insane and stupidWe should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.
You feel the same contempt for my posts that I feel for your posts.
I don't take offence at anything that you write, and I am sure that you don't take any offence at anything that I write.
You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that I have hurt your feelings... you idiot!
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
I wonder if I am alone in finding this to be a deeply unpleasant post.
We should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.
Bit rich from someone who on this very page has called me insane and stupidWe should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.
You feel the same contempt for my posts that I feel for your posts.
I don't take offence at anything that you write, and I am sure that you don't take any offence at anything that I write.
You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that I have hurt your feelings... you idiot!
And more to the point in this case, are you suggesting that Dandarez is more sensitive and would be upset by the post above? If so he should probably consider some of his posts too.
don4l said:
Well, they say that a week is a long time in politics. However, at this point I expect UKIP to win 30-35 seats. Even if they only win 20, then I feel that they will have achieved something worthwhile.
Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
I'm voting for 'em and I don't think they'll get anywhere near that, as every opinion poll so far has shown. Polls can be wrong but seldom are they so wrong.Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
Axionknight said:
don4l said:
Well, they say that a week is a long time in politics. However, at this point I expect UKIP to win 30-35 seats. Even if they only win 20, then I feel that they will have achieved something worthwhile.
Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
I'm voting for 'em and I don't think they'll get anywhere near that, as every opinion poll so far has shown. Polls can be wrong but seldom are they so wrong.Roll on May.
...only 87 days to go.
Scuffers said:
Scottish independence vote?
More than 10 points wrong.
Actually the ones closer to the time were fairly accurate - suppose we'll have to wait and see on that one though as it's still a while away.More than 10 points wrong.
Come to think of it, wasn't there an election in the early 90's with a fairly shock result? I was only a babe in arms!
Still can't see it though.
Axionknight said:
Actually the ones closer to the time were fairly accurate - suppose we'll have to wait and see on that one though as it's still a while away.
the one a week before showed a 7% lead for yes, actual result was 10.6% No Axionknight said:
Come to think of it, wasn't there an election in the early 90's with a fairly shock result? I was only a babe in arms!
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