UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

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NoNeed said:

They could have done more and most probably should have. Maybe in trying to hard to look impartial they have unwittingly acted in the interest of the main rival and all the Labour Councillors and MP's in that area.

You know, i don't care, they were either complicity in all this st, or watched on and did nothing, either way, derriliction of duty as an absolute minimum.

Until firm and direct action is taken, this st1t will continue to blight the police everywhere.

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NoNeed said:

The police attestation that a new officer takes.

I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.


I have made the relevant part bold.

You keep going around in circles. The protesters were not committing any offence. The police here had no right to discriminate against the protesters in order to help Farage.

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allergictocheese said:

ou keep going around in circles. The protesters were not committing any offence. The police here had no right to discriminate against the protesters in order to help Farage.

Total tosh.

They were restricting a citizen expressing their views, ie, preventing free speech

[allergictocheese]

Scuffers said:

Total tosh.

They were restricting a citizen expressing their views, ie, preventing free speech

It's only 'total tosh' because you don't understand the concept that they were not committing any offence and the police were not lawfully able to restrict their right to express themselves.

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Scuffers said:

allergictocheese said:

ou keep going around in circles. The protesters were not committing any offence. The police here had no right to discriminate against the protesters in order to help Farage.

Total tosh.

They were restricting a citizen expressing their views, ie, preventing free speech

But as I have repeatedly said, they did not. He could say anything he wanted at the time, or at any time thereafter.

and if they had moved peaceful protesters on, would they have infringed their rights to free speech? At least as much > After all farage can get Journos to turn up anytime he wants. They couldn't

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FiF said:

don4l said:

I wonder if I am alone in finding this to be a deeply unpleasant post.

We should be able to disagree about politics while celebrating our shared love of cars.

While we don't have common ground re UKIP I have to agree.

You and Don don't have common ground re UKIP?

You mean Don wants to marry UKIP and you are still pretending you don't live together despite her clothes in your wardrobe and a bathroom cabinet full of feminine products?

[NoNeed]

allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

The police attestation that a new officer takes.

I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.


I have made the relevant part bold.

You keep going around in circles. The protesters were not committing any offence. The police here had no right to discriminate against the protesters in order to help Farage.

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

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NoNeed said:

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

They advised (not ordered or instructed or compelled), I presume on the basis that him doing so may have lead to a breach of the peace. Had he ignored them and done it anyway, they would have been unlikely to have had any lawful authority to stop him.

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allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

They advised (not ordered or instructed or compelled), I presume on the basis that him doing so may have lead to a breach of the peace. Had he ignored them and done it anyway, they would have been unlikely to have had any lawful authority to stop him.

Yeah right. You can just see the MSM reports;
'A police spokesman states that the Police strongly advised Mr Farage not to proceed. Had he heeded that advice the ensuing problems and damage to property would not have occurred, and Mr Farage would have avoided the minor injuries he was subject to. Politicians must take Police advice more seriously'. A Ukip spokesperson is reported to have made disparaging remarks against the police, however this has yet to be confirmed.

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s2art said:

allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

They advised (not ordered or instructed or compelled), I presume on the basis that him doing so may have lead to a breach of the peace. Had he ignored them and done it anyway, they would have been unlikely to have had any lawful authority to stop him.

Yeah right. You can just see the MSM reports;
'A police spokesman states that the Police strongly advised Mr Farage not to proceed. Had he heeded that advice the ensuing problems and damage to property would not have occurred, and Mr Farage would have avoided the minor injuries he was subject to. Politicians must take Police advice more seriously'. A Ukip spokesperson is reported to have made disparaging remarks against the police, however this has yet to be confirmed.

So would you have the police use force to move on peaceful protesters who are taking the opportunity to disagree with UKIP so that Farage can cut a ribbon and has to say what he wants to say inside a warm room instead?

[NoNeed]

allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

They advised (not ordered or instructed or compelled), I presume on the basis that him doing so may have lead to a breach of the peace. Had he ignored them and done it anyway, they would have been unlikely to have had any lawful authority to stop him.

So they are duty bound to prevent a breach of the peace? just like we said. Of course they could have done what was right and advised the crowd (not ordered or instructed or compelled) just advised that should a breach of the peace occur they would all be arrested.

But that would not help crime figures would it, mass arrests never do.

[allergictocheese]

NoNeed said:

So they are duty bound to prevent a breach of the peace? just like we said. Of course they could have done what was right and advised the crowd (not ordered or instructed or compelled) just advised that should a breach of the peace occur they would all be arrested.

But that would not help crime figures would it, mass arrests never do.

How do you know what the police said to the crowd?

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allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So they are duty bound to prevent a breach of the peace? just like we said. Of course they could have done what was right and advised the crowd (not ordered or instructed or compelled) just advised that should a breach of the peace occur they would all be arrested.

But that would not help crime figures would it, mass arrests never do.

How do you know what the police said to the crowd?

possibly by watching the video's of the 3 camera crews that were there at the time? (BBC, ITV, SKY)?

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JustAnotherLogin said:

s2art said:

allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So please tell me why they advised him to not cut the ribbon?

They advised (not ordered or instructed or compelled), I presume on the basis that him doing so may have lead to a breach of the peace. Had he ignored them and done it anyway, they would have been unlikely to have had any lawful authority to stop him.

Yeah right. You can just see the MSM reports;
'A police spokesman states that the Police strongly advised Mr Farage not to proceed. Had he heeded that advice the ensuing problems and damage to property would not have occurred, and Mr Farage would have avoided the minor injuries he was subject to. Politicians must take Police advice more seriously'. A Ukip spokesperson is reported to have made disparaging remarks against the police, however this has yet to be confirmed.

So would you have the police use force to move on peaceful protesters who are taking the opportunity to disagree with UKIP so that Farage can cut a ribbon and has to say what he wants to say inside a warm room instead?

They could simply have instructed the crowd to move across the road where they could peacefully protest. No idea what you are on about regarding warm rooms, the ribbon cutting was to be outside and if he was going to speak inside then the protesters were irrelevant.

[NoNeed]

allergictocheese said:

NoNeed said:

So they are duty bound to prevent a breach of the peace? just like we said. Of course they could have done what was right and advised the crowd (not ordered or instructed or compelled) just advised that should a breach of the peace occur they would all be arrested.

But that would not help crime figures would it, mass arrests never do.

How do you know what the police said to the crowd?

Like the other poster says, it was on TV, but there is a small point that they would not have needed to speak to Nigel had they sorted the crowd problem.

[allergictocheese]

Scuffers said:

possibly by watching the video's of the 3 camera crews that were there at the time? (BBC, ITV, SKY)?

We both know that we have no idea what the police did or didn't say to the organisers of the protest.

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allergictocheese said:

Scuffers said:

possibly by watching the video's of the 3 camera crews that were there at the time? (BBC, ITV, SKY)?

We both know that we have no idea what the police did or didn't say to the organisers of the protest.

come again?

we all know that if it had been anything worth saying, one the the news teams would have it on tape, and if it had been anything remotely interesting, would have been broadcast by now.

[allergictocheese]

NoNeed said:

Like the other poster says, it was on TV, but there is a small point that they would not have needed to speak to Nigel had they sorted the crowd problem.

What do you mean by 'sorted the crowd problem'? How precisely do you propose they 'sort' a group of people lawfully protesting?

Ultimately, the impression you give is that the police were duty bound to interfere with the rights of the protesters in order that Farage could do his thing. As has been explained already, repeatedly, that is not what the police are here for or legally allowed to do, unless defined circumstances arise.

Unless you have anything new to add then there is little point going around in circles.

[allergictocheese]

Scuffers said:

come again?

we all know that if it had been anything worth saying, one the the news teams would have it on tape, and if it had been anything remotely interesting, would have been broadcast by now.

Was the advice given to Farage broadcast when it was given?

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allergictocheese said:

as the advice given to Farage broadcast when it was given?

yes, saw it on BBC at the time.