UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
don4l said:
If you are being paid to write this drivel, then you should start looking for alternative employment - because when your paymasters see what a rubbish job you are doing, they will terminate your contract.
Why are Kippers so intent on assuming that posters opposing their views must be paid to attack them?UKIP are a minority party, that means most of the country disagree with you. Some just say so.
Why are there not similar attacks on the Tory or Labour threads? Simple. The Tories and Labourites and LibDems don't feel the need to bang on about how wonderful their parties or leaders are all the time, or how everyone else is conspiring against them in some way. For some reason kippers seem determined to point out their feelings on the matter, not just on here but as I have said, in "real life" in circumstances where I would normally consider it impolite to express political preferences.
This again is symptomatic of zealotry, a word that keeps cropping up in connection with Kippers.
Well all this sycophantic one-sided hooey antagonises people who have different views. So we post in reaction.
don4l said:
allergictocheese, you appear to have missed this post.
Do you understand section 5 of the Public Order Act?
Can you see why your employers might be a little bit disappointed with your performance?
Yes, I understand the Public Order Act. You ought to do some reading on it, though- particularly with respect to the statutory defences, the Human Rights Act and the authorities. Simply protesting as was the case here is unlikely to trouble the Public Order Act.Do you understand section 5 of the Public Order Act?
Can you see why your employers might be a little bit disappointed with your performance?
As for comments about my employer. Who do you think my employer might be?
allergictocheese said:
es, I understand the Public Order Act. You ought to do some reading on it, though- particularly with respect to the statutory defences, the Human Rights Act and the authorities. Simply protesting as was the case here is unlikely to trouble the Public Order Act.
As for comments about my employer. Who do you think my employer might be?
It has been said many times now, the police move people daily, it is a normal event, if they see a reason to make somebody go in a certain direction they do it as the norm.As for comments about my employer. Who do you think my employer might be?
I myself have had to follow police instruction on so many occasions I couldn't even begin to guess the number, yet on this occasion they allowed the mob to rule.
Shameful
It was also you that said about going in circles yet you continue to do so despite me posting the police vow about keeping the peace.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Why are Kippers so intent on assuming that posters opposing their views must be paid to attack them?
UKIP are a minority party, that means most of the country disagree with you. Some just say so.
Why are there not similar attacks on the Tory or Labour threads? Simple. The Tories and Labourites and LibDems don't feel the need to bang on about how wonderful their parties or leaders are all the time, or how everyone else is conspiring against them in some way. For some reason kippers seem determined to point out their feelings on the matter, not just on here but as I have said, in "real life" in circumstances where I would normally consider it impolite to express political preferences.
This again is symptomatic of zealotry, a word that keeps cropping up in connection with Kippers.
Well all this sycophantic one-sided hooey antagonises people who have different views. So we post in reaction.
JALI,UKIP are a minority party, that means most of the country disagree with you. Some just say so.
Why are there not similar attacks on the Tory or Labour threads? Simple. The Tories and Labourites and LibDems don't feel the need to bang on about how wonderful their parties or leaders are all the time, or how everyone else is conspiring against them in some way. For some reason kippers seem determined to point out their feelings on the matter, not just on here but as I have said, in "real life" in circumstances where I would normally consider it impolite to express political preferences.
This again is symptomatic of zealotry, a word that keeps cropping up in connection with Kippers.
Well all this sycophantic one-sided hooey antagonises people who have different views. So we post in reaction.
Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Why are Kippers so intent on assuming that posters opposing their views must be paid to attack them?
UKIP are a minority party, that means most of the country disagree with you. Some just say so.
Why are there not similar attacks on the Tory or Labour threads? Simple. The Tories and Labourites and LibDems don't feel the need to bang on about how wonderful their parties or leaders are all the time, or how everyone else is conspiring against them in some way. For some reason kippers seem determined to point out their feelings on the matter, not just on here but as I have said, in "real life" in circumstances where I would normally consider it impolite to express political preferences.
This again is symptomatic of zealotry, a word that keeps cropping up in connection with Kippers.
Well all this sycophantic one-sided hooey antagonises people who have different views. So we post in reaction.
They are in good company then, as every party must be a minority party, the only difference between UKIP and the other parties is their support has grown by 11% over the course of this parliament, unlike the Tories and Lib Dems who are currently poling lower than their 2010 returns (Ashcroft Poll Feb 9th).... Superb gains against the totally unelectable and hopeless Labour party.UKIP are a minority party, that means most of the country disagree with you. Some just say so.
Why are there not similar attacks on the Tory or Labour threads? Simple. The Tories and Labourites and LibDems don't feel the need to bang on about how wonderful their parties or leaders are all the time, or how everyone else is conspiring against them in some way. For some reason kippers seem determined to point out their feelings on the matter, not just on here but as I have said, in "real life" in circumstances where I would normally consider it impolite to express political preferences.
This again is symptomatic of zealotry, a word that keeps cropping up in connection with Kippers.
Well all this sycophantic one-sided hooey antagonises people who have different views. So we post in reaction.
The police do not have a blanket power to make people do things. They must have a specific legislative or common law power. Secondly, they are prohibited from breaching a person's Human Rights unless statute or the common law allows them to. Thirdly, we do not live under a police state and, unless specifically prohibited or allowed to be prohibited by statute or common law, we are free to say what we want where we want with who we want when we want.
When you see the police moving people, they are (or are supposed to be) acting under a power granted to them, not a whim. Alternatively, they can ask people to do things by consent, without a specific power to compel them.
Many of the comments here are ignorant as to the powers enjoyed by the police and make a pure assumption that the police had no dialogue with and made no requests of the protesters. Perhaps they make these assumptions because they fail to question what they are fed by Farage and don't want to find out that things are not as black and white as presented.
When you see the police moving people, they are (or are supposed to be) acting under a power granted to them, not a whim. Alternatively, they can ask people to do things by consent, without a specific power to compel them.
Many of the comments here are ignorant as to the powers enjoyed by the police and make a pure assumption that the police had no dialogue with and made no requests of the protesters. Perhaps they make these assumptions because they fail to question what they are fed by Farage and don't want to find out that things are not as black and white as presented.
Axionknight said:
They are in good company then, as every party must be a minority party, the only difference between UKIP and the other parties is their support has grown by 11% over the course of this parliament, unlike the Tories and Lib Dems who are currently poling lower than their 2010 returns (Ashcroft Poll Feb 9th).... Superb gains against the totally unelectable and hopeless Labour party.
So you completely ignored the point of my post and concentrated on disproving something I didn't say.Good for you
allergictocheese said:
don4l said:
allergictocheese, you appear to have missed this post.
Do you understand section 5 of the Public Order Act?
Can you see why your employers might be a little bit disappointed with your performance?
Yes, I understand the Public Order Act. You ought to do some reading on it, though- particularly with respect to the statutory defences, the Human Rights Act and the authorities. Simply protesting as was the case here is unlikely to trouble the Public Order Act.Do you understand section 5 of the Public Order Act?
Can you see why your employers might be a little bit disappointed with your performance?
As for comments about my employer. Who do you think my employer might be?
Could you enlighten me, please?
I'd like to know how I could harass, intimidate or threaten people without fearing prosecution.
NicD said:
JALI,
Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
So why do "you" (collective you) keep accusing others of being shills or paid to be on there?Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
don4l said:
I'm afraid that I am not aware of the statutory defenses against the Public Order Act(1986).
Could you enlighten me, please?
I'd like to know how I could harass, intimidate or threaten people without fearing prosecution.
Obviously you are not.Could you enlighten me, please?
I'd like to know how I could harass, intimidate or threaten people without fearing prosecution.
s5 Public Order Act said:
...
(3) It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a) that he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or
(b) that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(c) that his conduct was reasonable
The court must also consider the right to freedom of expression and freedom to protest and of association.(3) It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a) that he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or
(b) that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(c) that his conduct was reasonable
allergictocheese said:
The police do not have a blanket power to make people do things. They must have a specific legislative or common law power. Secondly, they are prohibited from breaching a person's Human Rights unless statute or the common law allows them to. Thirdly, we do not live under a police state and, unless specifically prohibited or allowed to be prohibited by statute or common law, we are free to say what we want where we want with who we want when we want.
When you see the police moving people, they are (or are supposed to be) acting under a power granted to them, not a whim. Alternatively, they can ask people to do things by consent, without a specific power to compel them.
Many of the comments here are ignorant as to the powers enjoyed by the police and make a pure assumption that the police had no dialogue with and made no requests of the protesters. Perhaps they make these assumptions because they fail to question what they are fed by Farage and don't want to find out that things are not as black and white as presented.
You need to speak to a copper, or even better come with me to an away football match.When you see the police moving people, they are (or are supposed to be) acting under a power granted to them, not a whim. Alternatively, they can ask people to do things by consent, without a specific power to compel them.
Many of the comments here are ignorant as to the powers enjoyed by the police and make a pure assumption that the police had no dialogue with and made no requests of the protesters. Perhaps they make these assumptions because they fail to question what they are fed by Farage and don't want to find out that things are not as black and white as presented.
I will enjoy watching you put the coppers straight.
Oh and when the taze your lippy I know my rights ass I romise to stop them after the fourth burst ok?
What might be acceptable behaviour in the circumstances of a political protest may not be at a football match. As said earlier, the police may request you to do things in the hope of consent and not because they have the power to compel you to do them.
Without access to all the circumstantial information, it is unwise to place blame for Farage's failure to cut a ribbon on one group or another.
Without access to all the circumstantial information, it is unwise to place blame for Farage's failure to cut a ribbon on one group or another.
Axionknight said:
I see. But we are in agreeance that the Tory party are making no gains at all, on a national scale, against the most unelectable Labour party ever, right?
One could quibble about the none at all depending on the period one chose, but essentially that's true.Axionknight said:
I wonder why.
Obviously a major factor is the split of the "right wing" vote with UKIP. But if the Tories adopt policies that got that vote back they would probably lose some others. Plus as many Kippers have repeatedly said- Cameron wants to stay in the EU and have high forein aid so he is sticking with what he believes, i.e. he is being a conviction politician (which strangely Kippers then deny he is)
Another is the fact that the coalition have been fighting to get spending under control after the excesses of the last govt- never easy to be popular in such circumstances
See, I read your post, looked at the facts, and answered the question. Maybe you could try it with mine rather than trying to change the subject
allergictocheese said:
What might be acceptable behaviour in the circumstances of a political protest may not be at a football match. As said earlier, the police may request you to do things in the hope of consent and not because they have the power to compel you to do them.
Without access to all the circumstantial information, it is unwise to place blame for Farage's failure to cut a ribbon on one group or another.
LOL When you're back in our world give me a shout, we can go for a pint.Without access to all the circumstantial information, it is unwise to place blame for Farage's failure to cut a ribbon on one group or another.
You are the most blinkered individual making the most ludicrous claims I have encountered on PH.
The police only ask lmao
Not compelled to do LOL
I will say it again in the faint hope you have a brain cell with the capacity to absorb a fact.
THE POLICE MOVE PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE NOT COMMITTED A SINGLE CRIME.
They cite many reasons and have many powers and only have to suspect that you may cause offence to do so.
I just decided to check out youtube and found a copper telling protesters that they were fine lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4ZmdFQg2I
Nigels version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ly8oz7908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0AlgW-2Is
Nigels version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ly8oz7908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0AlgW-2Is
JustAnotherLogin said:
NicD said:
JALI,
Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
So why do "you" (collective you) keep accusing others of being shills or paid to be on there?Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
I'm burning a bit of midnight oil - as per usual.
I'm a 'real' pistonheader, I've been on here YEARS!
However, in reply to your query, many of 'you' (collective you) have been on here FIVE MINUTES, seemingly have no car, no garage, little or no interest in cars per se, so genuine question, why join, or more to the point how did you come across PISTONHEADS?
By accident, pure luck, stumbling, ...or trolling, shills, etc?
JustAnotherLogin said:
NicD said:
JALI,
Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
So why do "you" (collective you) keep accusing others of being shills or paid to be on there?Is this really you?
or a low quality stand in?
What a disappointing post.
The only 'zealotry' here is from you sad sacks who feel the need to bounce back and back no matter how many times you are knocked down.
and yes, you and your helpers 'one-sided hooey' does antagonise us.
So give it a rest.
What can be your motivation?
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