UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[JustAnotherLogin]

don4l said:

How many MP's do you think that UKIP will have?

I'm hoping for 30, but I must admit that I would be content if we only get 20.

If you are confident in that you should put some money down. Spread betting is 6-8.
Which feels about right to me. I'd have said 5-10

[dandarez]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Did you answer the wrong question in exams too. The question was about the speed, that has been amplified since, and still you answer something completely different.

So I'll answer your question in the same vein:
Has anyone in UKIP said they agree with giving away so much so called 'foreign aid'?
Judging by the age of the activists in the UKIP conference hall, UKIP will be wiped out in in 10 years time.
There is your answer

Oh no, not the age thing again.

Anyway, I thought people like you said UKIP wouldn't last 10 seconds, yet you're giving 10 years to be wiped out?
That can only mean you will be raging on the keyboard for some time to come yet.

Put it to better use, write a book.
How about ...

The demise of the Euro, the proposed EU Super State and my part in its downfall.

[JustAnotherLogin]

dandarez said:

Anyway, I thought people like you said UKIP wouldn't last 10 seconds, yet you're giving 10 years to be wiped out?
That can only mean you will be raging on the keyboard for some time to come yet.

Put it to better use, write a book.
How about ...

The demise of the Euro, the proposed EU Super State and my part in its downfall.

And given that you are once again making up things I never said, I assume yours will be a work of fiction

SO Dandarez, how many seats do you think UKIP will win?

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

don4l said:

How many MP's do you think that UKIP will have?

I'm hoping for 30, but I must admit that I would be content if we only get 20.

If you are confident in that you should put some money down. Spread betting is 6-8.
Which feels about right to me. I'd have said 5-10

I don't smoke or gamble.

I do enjoy a drink.

Mind you, the last person who placed a bet was Breadvan, and I believe that he lost.

Did he pay up?

[Axionknight]

EDIT: Double post

[Axionknight]

JustAnotherLogin said:

If you are confident in that you should put some money down. Spread betting is 6-8.
Which feels about right to me. I'd have said 5-10

Bet365 are paying 4/5 for over 4.5 (5, basically) UKIP seats.

9/2 for a Conservative majority, they (bet365) clearly aren't overly convinced that we will end up with our first Tory government since 1997, which is ever such a long time ago...

You'll remember that election, I guess, with the Tory party polling 30.7%, truly amazing progress in the last eighteen years, by the way, polling a massive two to five percent higher after thirteen years of total mis-rule by our Labour friends.

Of course UKIP only polled 0.3%, poor no doubt, as a fledgling party, but with national averages up at anywhere from 11% to 23% in the same time in which Conservative support hasn't really moved at all (downwards if anything), it's clear that only one party is really on the rise in British politics (the SNP polling well across Scotland, but badly as a national average, it'll be interesting to see how that translates to seats of course), and that party is UKIP, with their racist, bigoted, uneducated, swivel eyed, vacuum cleaner violating morons.

The only comforting thing from bet365 is that a Labour majority is out at 12/1. (For balance, UKIP and the LibDems aren't on the list).

[dandarez]

JustAnotherLogin said:

dandarez said:

Anyway, I thought people like you said UKIP wouldn't last 10 seconds, yet you're giving 10 years to be wiped out?
That can only mean you will be raging on the keyboard for some time to come yet.

Put it to better use, write a book.
How about ...

The demise of the Euro, the proposed EU Super State and my part in its downfall.

And given that you are once again making up things I never said, I assume yours will be a work of fiction

SO Dandarez, how many seats do you think UKIP will win?

Oh dear. The 10 seconds wasn't meant to be a 'quote' from you. Get over it, it was just a generalisation, don't take things to heart so much.

Regarding your question of seats.
I've no idea. I really haven't. I would say that is a reasoned and accurate assessment, of which many, even the pundits, would have to agree to. More to the point how many do you think UKIP will win?

As for your assumption about my work of fiction, it could be, but to date I've only ever written non-fiction.

[dandarez]

don4l said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

don4l said:

How many MP's do you think that UKIP will have?

I'm hoping for 30, but I must admit that I would be content if we only get 20.

If you are confident in that you should put some money down. Spread betting is 6-8.
Which feels about right to me. I'd have said 5-10

I don't smoke or gamble.

I do enjoy a drink.

Mind you, the last person who placed a bet was Breadvan, and I believe that he lost.

Did he pay up?

He bet they wouldn't win 1 seat - before they got 2 of course. I suppose if they didn't win a seat at the GE, he would come back out of hiding on the subject.
Think it was £200 (don't quote me) to charity of choice.

[Yazar]

Guardian stoops to (yet another) new low. Waffle article with no facts contained... but the last paragraph makes clear the target!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/20...

[JustAnotherLogin]

Axionknight said:

Bet365 are paying 4/5 for over 4.5 (5, basically) UKIP seats.

9/2 for a Conservative majority, they (bet365) clearly aren't overly convinced that we will end up with our first Tory government since 1997, which is ever such a long time ago...

You'll remember that election, I guess, with the Tory party polling 30.7%, truly amazing progress in the last eighteen years, by the way, polling a massive two to five percent higher after thirteen years of total mis-rule by our Labour friends.

Of course UKIP only polled 0.3%, poor no doubt, as a fledgling party, but with national averages up at anywhere from 11% to 23% in the same time in which Conservative support hasn't really moved at all (downwards if anything), it's clear that only one party is really on the rise in British politics (the SNP polling well across Scotland, but badly as a national average, it'll be interesting to see how that translates to seats of course), and that party is UKIP, with their racist, bigoted, uneducated, swivel eyed, vacuum cleaner violating morons.

The only comforting thing from bet365 is that a Labour majority is out at 12/1. (For balance, UKIP and the LibDems aren't on the list).

So what's your prediction of how many seats UKIP will win Axion?

[JustAnotherLogin]

dandarez said:

Regarding your question of seats.
I've no idea. I really haven't. I would say that is a reasoned and accurate assessment, of which many, even the pundits, would have to agree to. More to the point how many do you think UKIP will win?

You are strangely reticent. You only have to give a guess or estimate.

As to me. See the previous page.

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

So what's your prediction of how many seats UKIP will win Axion?

You seem to be quite keen to hear peoples' predictions. I must have missed your prediction. Would you mind repeating it please?

[RYH64E]

I don't often read The Guardian, but saw this article linked from Google News and it made me chuckle.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/27/uk...

The UKIP message is mostly negative, always complaining about how crap things are, I'm a much more positive person and think things are pretty damn good at the moment.

[turbobloke]

RYH64E said:

The UKIP message is mostly negative, always complaining about how crap things are, I'm a much more positive person and think things are pretty damn good at the moment.

Greeks, Cypriots, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Irish folks will now sing a chorus of "oh what a wonderful life" while dancing to the tune of the EU.

[RYH64E]

turbobloke said:

RYH64E said:

The UKIP message is mostly negative, always complaining about how crap things are, I'm a much more positive person and think things are pretty damn good at the moment.

Greeks, Cypriots, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Irish folks will now sing a chorus of "oh what a wonderful life" while dancing to the tune of the EU.

People are responsible for their own success or failure, unsuccessful people/countries always think their problems are someone else's fault, it's just not true. I don't remember the countries you mention being particularly successful before the EU, they haven't done well within the EU, and they almost certainly won't do well if they leave the EU.

Membership of the EU is a fantastic opportunity for those with the drive to take advantage, I've no complaints.

[2013BRM]

I don't think UKIPs message is any different to any other apart from the incumbent which seems pretty obvious when you think about it.

[turbobloke]

RYH64E said:

turbobloke said:

RYH64E said:

The UKIP message is mostly negative, always complaining about how crap things are, I'm a much more positive person and think things are pretty damn good at the moment.

Greeks, Cypriots, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Irish folks will now sing a chorus of "oh what a wonderful life" while dancing to the tune of the EU.

People are responsible for their own success or failure...

When they enjoy parliamentary sovereignty and control their own destiny via self-determination.

Keep thinking about it, you'll get there.

[Countdown]

RYH64E said:

People are responsible for their own success or failure, unsuccessful people/countries always think their problems are someone else's fault, it's just not true. I don't remember the countries you mention being particularly successful before the EU, they haven't done well within the EU, and they almost certainly won't do well if they leave the EU.

Nooooo.... It's always somebody else's fault

Strange how many supposedly "successful" multiple business owners are so disaffected

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

RYH64E said:

People are responsible for their own success or failure, unsuccessful people/countries always think their problems are someone else's fault, it's just not true. I don't remember the countries you mention being particularly successful before the EU, they haven't done well within the EU, and they almost certainly won't do well if they leave the EU.

Nooooo.... It's always somebody else's fault

Strange how many supposedly "successful" multiple business owners are so disaffected

Being disaffected with a dysfunctional barely democractic wannabe socialist superstate is by no means unusual for a business owner, which puts the other perspective into sharp relief. It's also usual not least for business owners who are in a good place, to consider the position of others in a worse place than yourself, which as supposedly caring emoting types certain individuals seem to have let go completely in their haste to fawn over the immense harm that the EU has done and is doing.

The point remains that whatever the Greeks, Spanish, Italians et al did before they joined the EU, firstly the EU was complicit when they allowed if not encouraged them to join in the first place, then by removing parliamentary sovereignty they reduced room for manoeuvre and condemned the people of those countries to more misery and for longer.

What's not strange is that blinkered europhiles deliberately miss the point time and again and resort to the personal angle. So based on that, and replying in kind, it's either that or they're incapable of political analysis.

[RYH64E]

turbobloke said:

Being disaffected with a dysfunctional barely democractic wannabe socialist superstate is by no means unusual for a business owner, which puts the other perspective into sharp relief.

It's a strange world when the 'wannabe socialist superstate' is championing the free market with their guarantee of free movement of goods, capital, services and people, and the supposedly right wing UKIP are trying to restrict those freedoms. I'm a good old fashioned Capitalist, unrestricted access to a free market is all I ask for, though a ready supply of hard working immigrant labour is a welcome bonus .