UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Esseesse]

Also, does she plan to cut immigration by using tricks like this (in case anyone forgot)...

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2014-04-08/uk-emplo...

[Axionknight]

Einion Yrth said:

By making the place so crap that everyone who can leave does?

That'll be the next Labour government we have to suffer.

[allergictocheese]

I think dissolution of parliament is 30th March, so perhaps the manifestos will be early April?

[handpaper]

Farage on R4Today this morning said the UKIP manifesto will be published in April, after Easter. He said he wanted to publish last to (paraphrasing) "let the public get fed up with what the others are offering".

With regard to what I posted last week about UKIP moving left, here's a piece by ex-Kipper Godfrey Bloom on NHS worship :
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/02/the-nhs...

[Axionknight]

He makes some salient points with regards to the NHS, that's for sure.

[TKF]

Is anyone still listening to Godfrey?

[FredClogs]

TKF said:

Is anyone still listening to Godfrey?

Apparently, it's bongo bongo politics.

[Esseesse]

TKF said:

Is anyone still listening to Godfrey?

Why not? The guys shortcomings seem to me to amount to being bad at judging a joke before opening his mouth.

[JustAnotherLogin]

handpaper said:

Farage on R4Today this morning said the UKIP manifesto will be published in April, after Easter. He said he wanted to publish last to (paraphrasing) "let the public get fed up with what the others are offering".

AKA copying some other parties policies because UKIP only really have 3

[Yazar]

JustAnotherLogin said:

handpaper said:

Farage on R4Today this morning said the UKIP manifesto will be published in April, after Easter. He said he wanted to publish last to (paraphrasing) "let the public get fed up with what the others are offering".

AKA copying some other parties policies because UKIP only really have 3

Makes it easier to keep to them, what is the point of 4 policies in the Tory manifesto when they will only keep to one

[JustAnotherLogin]

Yazar said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

handpaper said:

Farage on R4Today this morning said the UKIP manifesto will be published in April, after Easter. He said he wanted to publish last to (paraphrasing) "let the public get fed up with what the others are offering".

AKA copying some other parties policies because UKIP only really have 3

Makes it easier to keep to them, what is the point of 4 policies in the Tory manifesto when they will only keep to one

Did the analysis ages ago. For economic manifesto pledges I think they had achieved 11 out of 12 or something like that

[Timsta]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Did the analysis ages ago. For economic manifesto pledges I think they had achieved 11 out of 12 or something like that

Ah. So we only have to worry about economic pledges. Just ignore any mention of crime or local government.

[Laurel Green]

On C5 this evening at 10 o'clock 'Farage Fans & UKIP Lovers' Documentary exploring the wide spectrum of people who are supporters of the political party, including fishermen who believe EU directives and quotas are killing their industry.

Thought it worthy of mention.

[Axionknight]

Timsta said:

Ah. So we only have to worry about economic pledges. Just ignore any mention of crime or local government.

You forgot immigration.

[DeanR32]

Axionknight said:

Timsta said:

Ah. So we only have to worry about economic pledges. Just ignore any mention of crime or local government.

You forgot immigration.

Don't forget immigration! Fuggin 'ell!!

[NicD]

DeanR32 said:

Don't forget immigration! Fuggin 'ell!!

Only the very well off are able to forget about un-needed and/or wrongly targeted immigration

The rest of us both suffer and pay for it.

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Yazar said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

handpaper said:

Farage on R4Today this morning said the UKIP manifesto will be published in April, after Easter. He said he wanted to publish last to (paraphrasing) "let the public get fed up with what the others are offering".

AKA copying some other parties policies because UKIP only really have 3

Makes it easier to keep to them, what is the point of 4 policies in the Tory manifesto when they will only keep to one

Did the analysis ages ago. For economic manifesto pledges I think they had achieved 11 out of 12 or something like that

The three most important pledges for me were, in no particular order:-

A bonfire of quangoes,

Reduce immigration to tens of thousands,

and

Referendum on Lisbon Treaty.

If I had voted Conservative at the last election, I would feel utterly betrayed.

[NicD]

don4l said:

The three most important pledges for me were, in no particular order:-

A bonfire of quangoes,

Reduce immigration to tens of thousands,

and

Referendum on Lisbon Treaty.

If I had voted Conservative at the last election, I would feel utterly betrayed.

I voted for them, and in fact have a decent Conservative MP in our constituency
I don't feel betrayed, just resigned and looking for a better way.
In this case, no contest, its UKIP.

[don4l]

NicD said:

I voted for them, and in fact have a decent Conservative MP in our constituency
I don't feel betrayed, just resigned and looking for a better way.
In this case, no contest, its UKIP.

To be fair, I also have a decent Conservative MP - Michael Gove.

However, before the last general election, the Conservatives published David Cameron's "Contract". In it, he said "If we don’t deliver our side of the bargain, vote us out in five years’ time."

Here is the contract:- http://conservativehome.blogs.com/files/ge_4pg-new...

He hasn't kept his side of the bargain.

If we look at the "Economy section of the contract, we see that they made the following promises:-

Conservative Contract said:

We will change the economy
Gordon Brown’s economic incompetence has doubled the national debt, given us record youth unemployment, and widened the gap between rich and poor. Unemployment is still rising, and this year we will spend more on debt interest than on schools. We need to get our economy moving.

If you elect a Conservative government on 6 May, we will:
1. Cut wasteful government spending so we can stop Labour’s jobs tax, which would kill the recovery.

They have increased government spending.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/recent_spending

Verdict:- Fail.

Conservative Contract said:

2.
Act now on the national debt , so we can keep mortgage rates lower for longer.

This promise was nothing more than a deliberate act of deception. I don't doubt that the Conservatives have tried to cut spending, but they lacked the 'cojones' to do the job properly.

In 2010 the National Debt was £760Bn.
The figure for this year is £1,360Bn.

Verdict:- Massive fail.

Conservative Contract said:

3. Reduce emissions and build a greener economy , with thousands of new jobs in green industries and advanced manufacturing.

This was always a deception. For every new job created in the "green" economy, 2.7 jobs have been lost in traditional industries. So yes, they have created thousands of "green" jobs, but they have lost nearly 3 times as many jobs as a result of their ignorance.

20,000 jobs have been lost in the aluminium smelting industry alone.

Civitas Report said:

The pressure on the industry is set to rise drastically in the next few years, mainly as a result of increased climate change regulation and a likely rapid rise in energy prices.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/economy/aluminium2012.pd...

Verdict:- Mahoosive fail.

Conservative Contract said:

4. Get Britain working by giving unemployed people support to get work , creating 400,000 new apprenticeships and training places over two years, and cutting benefits for those who refuse work.

400,000 new apprenticeships?

I must have missed this.

They have made small efforts to reduce the benefits bill, and I applaud them for this. Iain Duncan-Smith has been rather impressive. In fact, I think that he would have made a great Prime Minister. Unfortunately, he lacked the charisma to convince the electorate to vote for a party led by him.

Verdict:- Hmmmm... Have they created the new apprenticeships? I don't think so.

Conservative Contract said:

5. Control immigration , reducing it to the levels of the 1990s – meaning tens of thousands a year, instead of the hundreds of thousands a year under Labour

Oh dear!

Nigel told them that this was rubbish. They responded by saying that Nigel, and his supporters, were swivel-eyed loons.

Verdict:- Clearly the biggest ever lie in a manifesto. Cameron knew that hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians would flood to the UK. You just have to look at the relative GDP figures to see that the influx was inevitable.

Edited by don4l on Wednesday 4th March 21:20

[968]

TKF said:

Is anyone still listening to Godfrey?

@GODDERSBLOOM
Former UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom tweets: I sometimes think UKIP policy depends on who Nigel Farage met in the pub the night before.