UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
brenflys777 said:
Interesting prediction here - and not just plucked out of the air:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/07/uki...
I know the traditional logic in FPTP is that second place is just first loser, but 2nd place in 70-100 seats would be quite an achievement. This would place UKIP as the main opposition party in a significant percentage of the UK and regionally in England strong against either the Cons or Labour in some key seats. Interesting times and hardly pipsqueak party material.
What say does an individual who comes second in a constituency vote have in parliament? Answer: None.http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/07/uki...
I know the traditional logic in FPTP is that second place is just first loser, but 2nd place in 70-100 seats would be quite an achievement. This would place UKIP as the main opposition party in a significant percentage of the UK and regionally in England strong against either the Cons or Labour in some key seats. Interesting times and hardly pipsqueak party material.
All your story confirms is that UKIP make a hung parliament and a Labour government more likely. That's one hell of a legacy for a party who're well to the right and likely to win less than 10 seats.
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
Is it wrong to point out that many thousands of young white girls have been abused by 
stini, Muslim taxi drivers?
Only if you don't give a ste about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.
You keep referring to this. However you don't seem to care as much for the young girls who have been abused by Savile, Cyril Smith and all the other "celebrities".stini, Muslim taxi drivers?Only if you don't give a s
te about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.Edited by don4l on Friday 6th March 20:42
For that matter you don't seem concerned about the girls abused by taxi drivers of other origins.
Why might that be?
And why are you only concerned for young white girls? Why did you type the word white in that first sentence?
There are nasty, evil people from all backgrounds, skin colours, hair colours and everything else. Concentrate on only one ethnic grouping and you are making exactly the same mistake as the Rotherham councillors, just in reverse.
Edited by JustAnotherLogin on Saturday 7th March 22:44
In fact, If you consider the number of victims, then you would come to the logical conclusion that I was much more worried about non-Muslim Pakistini abuse of children.
So far, we know that there were at least 10,000 victims of these Pakistani Muslim taxi drivers. Cyril Smith and Jimmy Saville were evil b
ds, but their victims could be numbered in their hundreds.don4l said:
Much appreciated! I've been at a Hindu Holi Festival of Colour since I posted it and owing to the fact that the only thing in greater supply than messy paint was whiskey, I shan't try and make any reasoned opinion on the contents until tomorrow! don4l said:
thanks for that (and timsta) ,good to see someone in the media can see the reality of the current situation .i am really looking forward to this election ,will be the first for a long time with genuine uncertainty about it .i like uncertainty,the fact the money do not is just a bonus 
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
Is it wrong to point out that many thousands of young white girls have been abused by stini, Muslim taxi drivers?
Only if you don't give a ste about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.
You keep referring to this. However you don't seem to care as much for the young girls who have been abused by Savile, Cyril Smith and all the other "celebrities".stini, Muslim taxi drivers?Only if you don't give a s
te about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.Edited by don4l on Friday 6th March 20:42
For that matter you don't seem concerned about the girls abused by taxi drivers of other origins.
Why might that be?
And why are you only concerned for young white girls? Why did you type the word white in that first sentence?
There are nasty, evil people from all backgrounds, skin colours, hair colours and everything else. Concentrate on only one ethnic grouping and you are making exactly the same mistake as the Rotherham councillors, just in reverse.
Edited by JustAnotherLogin on Saturday 7th March 22:44
In fact, If you consider the number of victims, then you would come to the logical conclusion that I was much more worried about non-Muslim Pakistini abuse of children.
So far, we know that there were at least 10,000 victims of these Pakistani Muslim taxi drivers. Cyril Smith and Jimmy Saville were evil b
ds, but their victims could be numbered in their hundreds.And you ignore the victims of white taxi drivers such as David Perry. Perhaps the real issue is one of taxi drivers and there is just a preponderance of asian taxi drivers because that is a job that immigrants can easily get?
Actually Savile is now believed to have 1350 victims- just him alone. Let alone the other DJs.
Where is your campaign to ban Radio 1 DJs?
No. You explicitly state you are concerned with Pakistani Muslim perpetrators and white victims
allergictocheese said:
All your story confirms is that UKIP make a hung parliament and a Labour government more likely.
Although I have mostly voted Labour in the past, no way do I want to see the present Labour shower occupy No.10. However, there are TWO big flaws in the UK's first past the post voting system, one being could mean that an unequal shift of Tory voters to UK Independence Party delivers the Two Eds Nightmare scenario. Good ... bring on reform!
I do not think the shift will be unequal.
The other BIG flaw?
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THE GOVERNMENT ALWAYS GETS IN!
Really looking forward to the aftermath of May 7th. I suspect BIG shocks to the "It's your turn" establishment ... Bring it on ! ...
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allergictocheese said:
What say does an individual who comes second in a constituency vote have in parliament? Answer: None.
All your story confirms is that UKIP make a hung parliament and a Labour government more likely. That's one hell of a legacy for a party who're well to the right and likely to win less than 10 seats.
So UKIP should immediately pack up and shutdown as the Tory party is too fAll your story confirms is that UKIP make a hung parliament and a Labour government more likely. That's one hell of a legacy for a party who're well to the right and likely to win less than 10 seats.
king hopeless to compete with a bunch of clowns and racists.Now tell me where the problem lies.
FiF said:
My thoughts go to the traitors that facilitated this and the morons who don't see the problem. turbobloke said:
zygalski said:
steveT350C said:
FiF said:
Remind me which party of a million cuts disposed of some fifteen thousand border control staff to save money and benefit the Nation ... as a whole ... ?I am in favour of less Government at any level but only where it applies to less essential so called agencies and services.
MGJohn said:
FiF said:
Remind me which party of a million cuts disposed of some fifteen thousand border control staff to save money and benefit the Nation ... as a whole ... ?I am in favour of less Government at any level but only where it applies to less essential so called agencies and services.
Only one party to blame for that. Home office generally is a disaster area. Elroy Blue on this thread and others keeps telling it how it is, but just gets lalala not listening types of response.
FiF said:
Home office generally is a disaster area.
Yet there are commentators offering May in all seriousness as a successor to CMD. WTF? She's got nothing to offer apart from some expensive shoes. It would be (almost) another Miliband Moment, I say 'almost' as it would take somebody with a rare talent deficit level to get really close to Ed.JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
Is it wrong to point out that many thousands of young white girls have been abused by stini, Muslim taxi drivers?
Only if you don't give a ste about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.
You keep referring to this. However you don't seem to care as much for the young girls who have been abused by Savile, Cyril Smith and all the other "celebrities".stini, Muslim taxi drivers?Only if you don't give a s
te about the fate of young white girls, and you are willing to allow the abuse to continue.Edited by don4l on Friday 6th March 20:42
For that matter you don't seem concerned about the girls abused by taxi drivers of other origins.
Why might that be?
And why are you only concerned for young white girls? Why did you type the word white in that first sentence?
There are nasty, evil people from all backgrounds, skin colours, hair colours and everything else. Concentrate on only one ethnic grouping and you are making exactly the same mistake as the Rotherham councillors, just in reverse.
Edited by JustAnotherLogin on Saturday 7th March 22:44
In fact, If you consider the number of victims, then you would come to the logical conclusion that I was much more worried about non-Muslim Pakistini abuse of children.
So far, we know that there were at least 10,000 victims of these Pakistani Muslim taxi drivers. Cyril Smith and Jimmy Saville were evil b
ds, but their victims could be numbered in their hundreds.And you ignore the victims of white taxi drivers such as David Perry. Perhaps the real issue is one of taxi drivers and there is just a preponderance of asian taxi drivers because that is a job that immigrants can easily get?
Actually Savile is now believed to have 1350 victims- just him alone. Let alone the other DJs.
Where is your campaign to ban Radio 1 DJs?
No. You explicitly state you are concerned with Pakistani Muslim perpetrators and white victims
This is exactly what caused the problem in the first case.
Many people highlighted the issue, and they were ignored. Meanwhile tens of thousands of young girls were having their lives wrecked. It wasn't just the fact that many will never be able to form a relationship with a man, it is also the fact that they were led into being drug and alcohol addicts. They were also beaten and physically abused.
I am satisfied that the victims of Savile are being treated sympathetically, this does not appear to be the case in Rotheram. Recently, a 23 year old girl got arrested for racial abuse. This abuse occurred when she met a former abuser in the street. Of course, the abuser was not arrested.
Another girl walked into a police station in Oxford to complain about having being raped. She was covered in blood. She was sent on her way without any investigation taking place.
Playing the Racist card may have worked in the past, and as we see in Rotheram, it still works in some places, but its days are numbered.
You should be ashamed that you used this tactic.
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
Home office generally is a disaster area.
Yet there are commentators offering May in all seriousness as a successor to CMD. WTF? She's got nothing to offer apart from some expensive shoes. It would be (almost) another Miliband Moment, I say 'almost' as it would take somebody with a rare talent deficit level to get really close to Ed.There was a very good article about her in the Guardian recently, it's worth reading
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/03/ca...
AmitG said:
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
Home office generally is a disaster area.
Yet there are commentators offering May in all seriousness as a successor to CMD. WTF? She's got nothing to offer apart from some expensive shoes. It would be (almost) another Miliband Moment, I say 'almost' as it would take somebody with a rare talent deficit level to get really close to Ed.There was a very good article about her in the Guardian recently, it's worth reading
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/03/ca...
but it goes way beyond that. She hasn't handled the Home Office portfolio well and in my view she is unimpressive. I'd be no more likely to vote Conservative with her red Choos at the helm than with CMD's lime green tie. She resembles a Conservative equivalent to Jacqui Smith. At the very least, Philip had better keep his video hire receipts safe.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff