UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
A good interview with Farage from Brendan O'Neill in Spiked today:
Nigel Farage on consensus, conformism and the virtue of dissent.
Nigel Farage on consensus, conformism and the virtue of dissent.
Spiked said:
Farage’s diagnosis of an increasingly influential but utterly unworldly, public-allergic media feels true. The more that politics has become bereft of any serious ideas or big-thinking policy, and the more that politicians have become bereft of the means or know-how for speaking to the public directly, the more the media have moved in to fill a gap, becoming, increasingly, the facilitator of politics, and even the shaper of the political agenda. The media now act, says Farage, like the guardians of ‘what is considered right-thinking’, and this is why they hate him with such rash feeling — his thoughts, his ideas, his politics are, by their judgment, un-right thinking, and thus must be shouted, or better still shut, down.
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
brenflys777 said:
I don't mean to interlope on Don, but were the victims white? The offenders were almost entirely Pakistani ethnicity, Muslims, and if the roles were reversed this would have been a racially aggravated crime. It seems pertinent to the crime to mention colour when it is a defining feature of the victims.
Don41 has already admitted there were victims of different ethnicities. But it seems he was only concerned about the white onesEdited by brenflys777 on Sunday 8th March 23:06
These crimes could have been stopped years ago if people had not been afraid to highlight the problem. They were abused with accusations of racism if they pointed out the facts.
This all came to light two years ago, and still very little is being done to stamp it out. The abuse is ongoing and the police and social services appear to be doing very little to stop it.
JAL, you appear to be more worried that someone has pointed out that there is a cultural element to these horrific crimes than you are about the victims.
Imagine if a Muslim organisation had reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children"
No more misleading, and just as likely to lead to a concentration on the wrong thing
I notice you have no explanation as to why you typed "white young girls" rather than "young girls".
No Muslim organisation reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children" because there were not any Muslim victims.
If you think differently then please show us some evidence that the DJ's raped young Muslim children.
In fact, most of the (white) victims were molested rather than raped. The BBC no longer allow young girls to attend these shows, yet alone have unsupervised access backstage. The problem has been acknowledged and measures taken to try to prevent it happening again.
I didn't try to explain why I wrote "white young girls" for a very simple reason. Every single victim that has come forward is white.
Your lack of compassion for these unfortunates is quite shocking.
10,000+ girls have had their lives wrecked. You would sooner protect the good reputation of a couple of hundred Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers.
don4l said:
Once again you wave the race card.
No Muslim organisation reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children" because there were not any Muslim victims.
If you think differently then please show us some evidence that the DJ's raped young Muslim children.
In fact, most of the (white) victims were molested rather than raped. The BBC no longer allow young girls to attend these shows, yet alone have unsupervised access backstage. The problem has been acknowledged and measures taken to try to prevent it happening again.
I didn't try to explain why I wrote "white young girls" for a very simple reason. Every single victim that has come forward is white.
Your lack of compassion for these unfortunates is quite shocking.
10,000+ girls have had their lives wrecked. You would sooner protect the good reputation of a couple of hundred Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers.
What an abhorrent allegation you end with. They can burn in hell.No Muslim organisation reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children" because there were not any Muslim victims.
If you think differently then please show us some evidence that the DJ's raped young Muslim children.
In fact, most of the (white) victims were molested rather than raped. The BBC no longer allow young girls to attend these shows, yet alone have unsupervised access backstage. The problem has been acknowledged and measures taken to try to prevent it happening again.
I didn't try to explain why I wrote "white young girls" for a very simple reason. Every single victim that has come forward is white.
Your lack of compassion for these unfortunates is quite shocking.
10,000+ girls have had their lives wrecked. You would sooner protect the good reputation of a couple of hundred Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers.
The point is that your assertion that precedes it is wrong. From the Hay Report - the independent investigation into the Rotherham case (my emphasis)
most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children,
Page 35 if you want to look.
No surprise that a majority of victims were white British really. After all most of the population is.
But don't ignore the others.
And you don't know whether there are any muslims victims of the yewtree cases, because identities are protected in most cases. It would seem unlikely in all these cases there were none
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
Once again you wave the race card.
No Muslim organisation reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children" because there were not any Muslim victims.
If you think differently then please show us some evidence that the DJ's raped young Muslim children.
In fact, most of the (white) victims were molested rather than raped. The BBC no longer allow young girls to attend these shows, yet alone have unsupervised access backstage. The problem has been acknowledged and measures taken to try to prevent it happening again.
I didn't try to explain why I wrote "white young girls" for a very simple reason. Every single victim that has come forward is white.
Your lack of compassion for these unfortunates is quite shocking.
10,000+ girls have had their lives wrecked. You would sooner protect the good reputation of a couple of hundred Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers.
What an abhorrent allegation you end with. They can burn in hell.No Muslim organisation reported the Yewtree cases as:
"White DJs and celebrities guilty of raping young muslim children" because there were not any Muslim victims.
If you think differently then please show us some evidence that the DJ's raped young Muslim children.
In fact, most of the (white) victims were molested rather than raped. The BBC no longer allow young girls to attend these shows, yet alone have unsupervised access backstage. The problem has been acknowledged and measures taken to try to prevent it happening again.
I didn't try to explain why I wrote "white young girls" for a very simple reason. Every single victim that has come forward is white.
Your lack of compassion for these unfortunates is quite shocking.
10,000+ girls have had their lives wrecked. You would sooner protect the good reputation of a couple of hundred Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers.
The point is that your assertion that precedes it is wrong. From the Hay Report - the independent investigation into the Rotherham case (my emphasis)
most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children,
Page 35 if you want to look.
No surprise that a majority of victims were white British really. After all most of the population is.
But don't ignore the others.
And you don't know whether there are any muslims victims of the yewtree cases, because identities are protected in most cases. It would seem unlikely in all these cases there were none
Jay Report said:
It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered. They were raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated. There were examples of children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone. Girls as young as 11 were raped by large numbers of male perpetrators.
This abuse is not confined to the past but continues to this day.
This depresses me.This abuse is not confined to the past but continues to this day.
Jay Report said:
By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.[/b]
This is the nub of the problem. JAL, you are part of the problem. If anyone points out that there is a cultural issue here, you immediately play the race card. You do this in an attempt to shut down the discussion.That tactic may well have worked in the past. It won't work in the future.
Jay Report said:
Police are now well resourced for CSE and well trained, though prosecutions remain low in number.
This is what scares me the most. There are thousands of witnesses (victims), why are there so few prosecutions?
jagnet said:
A good interview with Farage from Brendan O'Neill in Spiked today:
Nigel Farage on consensus, conformism and the virtue of dissent.
Thanks for posting that link. I read the whole thing. What I did not expect to read was the last part directed at the media. Spot on Mr. Farage. Nigel Farage on consensus, conformism and the virtue of dissent.
I've been saying and posting much the same for ages. The UK media in all its forms has indeed become part of the cushioned against reality establishment just like those we entrust every GE with the Nation's well being.
Yes, cushioned against the harsh realities those we entrust to the nation's well being create for us. They have not got a clue. Farage has. It's now almost a racing certainty I will vote for his team come May 7th. If that means the dreaded two Eds occupy No. 10, tough mammories! Sort it if you can on a first past the post basis ..
MGJohn said:
...UK media in all its forms has indeed become part of the cushioned against reality establishment...
...They have not got a clue...
Your good self and Mr Farage are spot on in this regard, and not just cushioned, insulated....They have not got a clue...
The ability of the MSM to think and write independently on key issues has almost vanished.
Gordon Brown takes the scaremongering around Brexit to another level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
steveT350C said:
Gordon Brown takes the scaremongering around Brexit to another level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
Superb top comment:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
"Brown, the man in association with Blair, who did more harm to the UK than Hitler."
HonestIago said:
steveT350C said:
Gordon Brown takes the scaremongering around Brexit to another level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
Superb top comment:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
"Brown, the man in association with Blair, who did more harm to the UK than Hitler."
His level of genius would be perfectly at home in the sane ranks of EU drones.
HonestIago said:
steveT350C said:
Gordon Brown takes the scaremongering around Brexit to another level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
Superb top comment:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
"Brown, the man in association with Blair, who did more harm to the UK than Hitler."
G. Brown said:
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... would leave the UK frozen out of political decision making...
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Yeah right ... As if currently we're in the decision making process worth a damn with effective influence.... would leave the UK frozen out of political decision making...
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MGJohn said:
HonestIago said:
steveT350C said:
Gordon Brown takes the scaremongering around Brexit to another level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
Superb top comment:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11460...
"Brown, the man in association with Blair, who did more harm to the UK than Hitler."
G. Brown said:
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... would leave the UK frozen out of political decision making...
.
Yeah right ... As if currently we're in the decision making process worth a damn with effective influence.... would leave the UK frozen out of political decision making...
.
Another Brown, Craig, in the Wail; unable to discuss policy so has to find fault with Nigel's coat collar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2987362/...
An amusing response here.. http://www.liblabcon.com/blog/2015/3/10/judge-one-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2987362/...
An amusing response here.. http://www.liblabcon.com/blog/2015/3/10/judge-one-...
steveT350C said:
Another Brown, Craig, in the Wail; unable to discuss policy so has to find fault with Nigel's coat collar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2987362/...
An amusing response here.. http://www.liblabcon.com/blog/2015/3/10/judge-one-...
Too right!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2987362/...
An amusing response here.. http://www.liblabcon.com/blog/2015/3/10/judge-one-...
Velvet collar on an overcoat! Is it Camel Hair too? Guid gweef! The noive of dat guy! Most Arthur Daley .... A sign of True Class. Real Class! Nice little earner class....
How can one possibly vote for such a man with such a coat? Tell you how, more than 99% chance he'll get my vote come May 11th .... even if that does mean the dreaded Two Eds will occupy No.10. Tough Mammories. That's the true beauty of the now outmoded First Past The Post System. .... Quake in your boots Folks. Whatever the result, it will be deserved.
Liberal party not fielding candidates against UKIP in Cornwall.
http://m.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Liberal-Party-ur...
http://m.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Liberal-Party-ur...
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