UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[turbobloke]

jogon said:

I'm starting to the think the European Arrest Warrant would be better off renamed the European Criminal Exchange Program.

All our home grown crims bugger off to Spain and the Canaries while we allow in criminals from across Europe. Only problem been none ever seem to get arrested.

Free movememt across Europe certainly seems a benefit for this industry.

What we really need are top people like Lin Homer in charge of our Borders for a while, just to be sure.

If it's too taxing they can always move on.

[Zod]

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

Nope.

Huguenots to that!

[Zod]

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

Nope.

Huguenots to that!

Erm, that was my point....

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

Nope.

Huguenots to that!

Erm, that was my point....

Yep. Got that. I was in agreement via humour.

Anything else?!

[Zod]

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

Nope.

Huguenots to that!

Erm, that was my point....

Yep. Got that. I was in agreement via humour.

Anything else?!

Nope.

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

vonuber said:

jogon said:

For some reason their names are not on the main page you have to click on each one to reveal that but don't sound very traditional British names to me.

What's a traditional British name then?

Farage?

Nope.

Huguenots to that!

Erm, that was my point....

Yep. Got that. I was in agreement via humour.

Anything else?!

Nope.

Cool.

[BJG1]

s2art said:

Sensitive aren't they. I think most Scots who voted for him/UKIP (and a lot of others) would be mildly amused by his comment.

Are they nasty little sts too?

[Esseesse]

Tory plan to 'kill Ukip' by stopping Farage becoming an MP by urging other parties they can help 'cut the head off the snake'

[MGJohn]

Esseesse said:

Tory plan to 'kill Ukip' by stopping Farage becoming an MP by urging other parties they can help 'cut the head off the snake'

In their dreams. It will not be deja-vu all over again as it was with the short lived Social Ds.

Boy oh boy has Nigel got desperate Dave's and muppet Miliband's bottles rattling. Good for him!

This run up to the GE becomes more interesting by the minute. ...


Meantime, the budget ... how uplifting...

[HonestIago]

Esseesse said:

Tory plan to 'kill Ukip' by stopping Farage becoming an MP by urging other parties they can help 'cut the head off the snake'

Pathetic. Just shows the contempt they have for both democracy and the British people. Most Labour supporters will never vote Tory anyway.

[FredClogs]

Esseesse said:

Tory plan to 'kill Ukip' by stopping Farage becoming an MP by urging other parties they can help 'cut the head off the snake'

Even by Daily Mail standards that headline is misleading, what the Tories plan to do is win a seat in the next election, Labour plans to do the same, as do UKIP. By Farage's own admission he can't run the party is he doesn't get elected.

[FiF]

Imo it's no different to the suggestions many pages ago that by similar tactics ousting Miliband from Doncaster. Or Clegg from Sheffield Hallam.

Not sure however of the assertion that if Farage not elected and Carswell as leader then that would be the end of UKIP. It would be a different party with different strategies and stances on certain issues, that's for sure. It could be even more dangerous from Con/Lab perspective in 2020. They are like rabbits in the headlights at the moment and transfixed by the threat. Still not thinking clearly.

[IainT]

JustAnotherLogin said:

s2art said:

Sensitive aren't they. I think most Scots who voted for him/UKIP (and a lot of others) would be mildly amused by his comment.

So he is over sensitive for being called a terrorist (which he isn't)

But to call someone a racist or fruitcake because they support UKIP (if they are not such) is totally unacceptable and they aren't being over-sensitive if they get upset.

It seems to me that there is a level of belief in UKIP that is deeply uncritical that leads to this type of hypocrisy - that all criticism of UKIP is bad and all denigration of their opponents is warranted.

I'm genuinely surprised that the likening of Humza to Hamza based on similarity of name and their ethnicity isn't acknowledged as being, at best, unwise by the PH UKIP supporters.

No matter what political colours you wear surely you have to be equally critical of your own club as you are of others? The alternative is blind fanaticism and some posters on here seem very close to that line as we saw with some on the Scottish referendum thread.

UKIP clearly have some policies worthy of merit as do the Tories as do Liebour. Haven't found anything of merit from the Greens though.

[don4l]

Guido has spotted the latest UKIP ad. During The 2010 campaign, the Conservatives came up with the following:-



Guess what UKIP have done?

[TKF]

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

Problem with that is unlike the other two that are factual, yours is just rhetoric.

[IainT]

Scuffers said:

Problem with that is unlike the other two that are factual, yours is just rhetoric.

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

It's also a factual statement about members of other parties too though, it's not unique to UKIP. It's something that the Tories have had to deal with, not so common for Lib/Lab/Green though.

[TKF]

IainT said:

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

The problem is that Scuffers and others don't see the comments as stupid or racist. To them they're "common sense".

[Yazar]

IainT said:

No matter what political colours you wear surely you have to be equally critical of your own club as you are of others? The alternative is blind fanaticism and some posters on here seem very close to that line as we saw with some on the Scottish referendum thread.

Don't think its politics related, more human behaviour.

To paraphrase Socrates: Many debaters, online or not, don't see a debate as a genuine conversation in which they are open to listening to the other party and to the possibility of hearing something that makes them change their mind. Instead they see it as a fight where they have to be right, as they are so certain of theirs being the truth regardless of any evidence to the contrary that may be presented.