UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[don4l]

I was just wondering what Nigel's first speech to the House will be about?

I'm sure that it will go viral on YouTube.

[Esseesse]

TKF said:

IainT said:

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

The problem is that Scuffers and others don't see the comments as stupid or racist. To them they're "common sense".

This is just your assumption. You get people making stupid comments (racist or not) everywhere. I would not defend this kind of comment, no matter who said it. While it's at the level/type that you unfortunately see/hear from time to time everywhere, it's not really comment worthy. It also diminishes the standing of those kicking up a stink about it (including you), as it appears that they're only interested because X was said by a UKIP member.

[TKF]

Rivers of Blood?

[Yazar]

don4l said:

I was just wondering what Nigel's first speech to the House will be about?

I'm sure that it will go viral on YouTube.

Farages 'If I dont win Thanet I will quit' is a big gamble, should have kept it quiet imo- the other parties are now expected to encourage all anti-Ukip voters to unite and strategically vote for the main opposition party.

[Esseesse]

Yazar said:

don4l said:

I was just wondering what Nigel's first speech to the House will be about?

I'm sure that it will go viral on YouTube.

Farages 'If I dont win Thanet I will quit' is a big gamble, should have kept it quiet imo- the other parties are now expected to encourage all anti-Ukip voters to unite and strategically vote for the main opposition party.

Yes but, which is the main opposition party in South Thanet? Tory seat currently, but Labour likely to gain, plus the current Tory is standing down. Plus supposing the Conservative candidate is the main opposition, Cameron appealing to Labour voters might convince just as many to vote UKIP.

[MGJohn]

Yazar said:

don4l said:

I was just wondering what Nigel's first speech to the House will be about?

I'm sure that it will go viral on YouTube.

Farages 'If I dont win Thanet I will quit' is a big gamble, should have kept it quiet imo- the other parties are now expected to encourage all anti-Ukip voters to unite and strategically vote for the main opposition party.

Yeah, I believe he regrets saying that now. Unwise and set in motion what the establishment two parties united to do back in those Social Democrat days.

Thus, expect more of the same old same old incompetence and mediocrity.

TKF said:

Rivers of Blood?

Not yet, just the occasional small pool of it.

Well serves you right. You did ask.

Meantime ~ Grim and nasty news incoming from Tunisia ...

Edited by MGJohn on Wednesday 18th March 12:33

[TKF]

Esseesse said:

TKF said:

IainT said:

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

The problem is that Scuffers and others don't see the comments as stupid or racist. To them they're "common sense".

This is just your assumption.

Given Scuffers was banned for repeatedly using the same homophobic phrase that got Kerry Smith (UKIP candidate) sacked it's more than an assumption.

Esseesse said:

You get people making stupid comments (racist or not) everywhere. I would not defend this kind of comment, no matter who said it. While it's at the level/type that you unfortunately see/hear from time to time everywhere, it's not really comment worthy. It also diminishes the standing of those kicking up a stink about it (including you), as it appears that they're only interested because X was said by a UKIP member.

On the UKIP thread it is only interesting if they're said by a UKIP member.

The point is that Farage is forced to apologise A LOT for what his members say. When you consider the size of the party it's hugely disproportionate. People can deny this or cry MSM smear but it's a fact. Not saying UKIP is party solely for bigots but it doesn't half attract them.

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

IainT said:

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

The problem is that Scuffers and others don't see the comments as stupid or racist. To them they're "common sense".

this just demonstrates how your blinkered rhetoric just shows what kind of simpleton you are.

Yes, some UKIP people have said some stupid stuff, some of it could well be called racist (although most of it is just poor use of language whipped up by faux offence), however, that does not make UKIP's policies or aspirations racist.

Other point is even if an odd UKIP rep is racists, it makes no difference to you, unlike doubling the national debt has, I would rather be out of debt and called racists than be enlightened and broke.

The point here is that all the attacks on UKIP are over trivial stupid stuff, like breast feeding, gay marriage, etc etc that have zero real impact on the UK as a hole, vs. serious policies on immigration, climate change, transport, energy, etc. yet you always go on about the trivia.

you remind me of the typical brain-dead mongs the audience of Question Time is packed with, all baying for blood over stuff that's usually total bull and irrelevant to the future of this country.

[TKF]

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

IainT said:

It is factual though, sticking your head in the sand and denying that there have been official UKIP representatives who have made stupid and racist comments is pointless.

The problem is that Scuffers and others don't see the comments as stupid or racist. To them they're "common sense".

Yes, some UKIP people have said some stupid stuff, some of it could well be called racist (although most of it is just poor use of language whipped up by faux offence)

Thanks for eloquently proving my point.

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

Thanks for eloquently proving my point.

Actually, you seem to have just done that yourself!

which is more important? the economy? the security of the country? or you trying to point score?

[TKF]

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

Thanks for eloquently proving my point.

Actually, you seem to have just done that yourself!

which is more important? the economy? the security of the country? or you trying to point score?

Not sure what your point is?

I said Farage is always apologising, you said he isn't. Why are you bringing your army of strawmen into it?

"Farage apology" brings up over 150k results
"UKIP sacked" is over 600k

And the stories just keep coming. You'd think that UKIP HQ would be contacting candidates and councillors and saying "Please don't say anything stupid", especially with an election looming. Either they haven't done it or they have and the members in question don't know where to draw the line with stupidity. A bit like you with pooftergate.

[Mr_B]

TKF said:

Can you do one with Labour saying ' we like ex BNP councilors and don't give a toss' ?

[MGJohn]

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

Thanks for eloquently proving my point.

Actually, you seem to have just done that yourself!

which is more important? the economy? the security of the country? or you trying to point score?

Forget all that immigration, security and economy bollards.

Much more to the point, will I have to pay more for my new BMW if we vote to exit EU?

We need answers.

[Esseesse]

TKF said:

On the UKIP thread it is only interesting if they're said by a UKIP member.

The point is that Farage is forced to apologise A LOT for what his members say. When you consider the size of the party it's hugely disproportionate. People can deny this or cry MSM smear but it's a fact. Not saying UKIP is party solely for bigots but it doesn't half attract them.

I take your point, however I haven't checked but is the Tory thread dominated by dodgy dealings, claims of immoral acts, and racism (sure there's some that could be dug up)? WRT your post, Farage seems to get interviewed A LOT (yes yes, his choice and probably good for him on balance) and when he does, gets asked this kind of question A LOT. This is the sort of thing that makes people shout MSM smear, because there are PLENTY of things of a similar vein that Miliband could be asked but are simply forgotten, more serious than some offensive language.

Or course you're free to discuss this, and a UKIP focussed thread seems appropriate, but when the level and seriousness seems to be approximate to the background level, it just makes me (and I suspect other contributors) hit the snooze button. And I would say this about a thread about any party, given the level/seriousness conditions applied above.

Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 18th March 14:17

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

Not sure what your point is?

I said Farage is always apologising, you said he isn't. Why are you bringing your army of strawmen into it?

"Farage apology" brings up over 150k results
"UKIP sacked" is over 600k

And the stories just keep coming. You'd think that UKIP HQ would be contacting candidates and councillors and saying "Please don't say anything stupid", especially with an election looming. Either they haven't done it or they have and the members in question don't know where to draw the line with stupidity. A bit like you with pooftergate.

your illustrating the point very nicely!

you seem to think trivia is more important than real polices?

you seem to love throthing at the mouth over me calling somebody a poofter? or a UKIP rep liking somebody to Abu Hamza?

please explain how these comments are in any way relevant or important to the decisions this country needs to make on policies?

this is exactly my point, when we have somebody in government, responsible for a major part of the UK's public budget abusing it for his own pet cause rather than the job it was intended for leading to thousands of people being flooded out of their homes and businesses.

But you seem to think that me calling him a poofter is more important?

GET IT YET?

[Esseesse]

TKF said:

"Farage apology" brings up over 150k results
"UKIP sacked" is over 600k

You seem to like tit-for-tat, so...

"cameron apology" brings up nearly a million results
"cameron sacked" brings up nearly 3 million results

[MGJohn]

Simple fact is Farage is far less grey than any of the other personalities in the Westminster Establishment. Unlike so many of those, Farage is both interesting and entertaining on screen in more than a likeable way. So much so that the media smoothies seek every opportunity to interview him. Currently much moreso than other grey political folks who wisely keep their heads down dodging the real issues. Yes, the media in their constant striving to score points in their exchanges with Farage. That is really what is disproportionate and it pleases me that most fail to do so by a wide margin. Their "We work for the BBC/SKY/Media and are ever so clever" stance is often torpedoed by Nigel quite effectively. Delighted to see that time and again. The media aint so clever as they think they are. Highly and disproportionately over rewarded in their cushioned against reality media bubbles is no guarantee that they are doing a good job and actually earning their pay true. However, in their ~ whatever happened to White Towers? ~ unreal environment they avidly consume and recycle their frequently regurgitated same old same old stuff ad nausi-wossname.

In the unlikely event that Farage does not secure a seat in the House come May 7th, the media will miss him as the greyer ones again become the main focus of their attention. That is until Farage lives to fight another day.

No doubt deploying the stance Arnie once said...

Terminator said:

"I'll be back"

Muhahahahahahahhhhhhhaaaah...

Cue media quaking in their boots time ... Bring it on ....

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

your illustrating the point very nicely!

you seem to think trivia is more important than real polices?

you seem to love throthing at the mouth over me calling somebody a poofter? or a UKIP rep liking somebody to Abu Hamza?

please explain how these comments are in any way relevant or important to the decisions this country needs to make on policies?

this is exactly my point, when we have somebody in government, responsible for a major part of the UK's public budget abusing it for his own pet cause rather than the job it was intended for leading to thousands of people being flooded out of their homes and businesses.

But you seem to think that me calling him a poofter is more important?

GET IT YET?

No, you don't get it. Your calling somebody a poofter is not comparable with the country's budget. The budget is a complex issue. Your name-calling appears simply to be down to your being a bigot. You have learned nothing from your ban.

[TKF]

Zod said:

You have learned nothing from your ban.

Certainly seems that way

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

o, you don't get it. Your calling somebody a poofter is not comparable with the country's budget. The budget is a complex issue. Your name-calling appears simply to be down to your being a bigot. You have learned nothing from your ban.

so, you think he was right to squander public money on his personal crusade?

(And yes, as you put it, I do not respect the views of the person that banned me, I find it strange that somebody who allows their personal views to take the fore in their role as a moderator to be somewhat bankrupt, I also note he's dropped out of these threads now.)

You (and others) seem fixated on the use of simple words rather than looking at the bigger picture, a better man that I covered this: