UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Scuffers]

Bill said:

Really? Ted was never a fan of homophobia.

And this is where you fail spectacularly

It's got nothing to do with homophobia.

[NicD]

Is this man (the former Liebor Attorney General, no less) certifiable?

'“The requirements of any free trade agreement would make British removal from the clauses dealing with freedom of movement impossible,” he explained, “with the curious consequence that the single biggest cause of domestic irritation with the EU, immigration, would remain unaltered. But without its maintenance some 2 million UK citizens working in EU countries would find themselves becoming illegal immigrants overnight.”'

It seems absolute nonsense, both propositions advanced.

[Bill]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

At risk of repeating myself again, this really does sum it up.

Now, who wants to list the candidates on here this applies to?

That quote gets trotted out every single time someone is rightly or wrongly offended in the news and it's usually trotted out by white, straight men (speaking from Facebook) and it's usually in reference to a joke or comment about someone who doesn't fit one or more of those categories.

I appreciate what Stephen Fry was getting at with the original quote, and liked it the first time I saw it but now I just find it depressing as it always seems to be used as an excuse for offensive behaviour.

Sorry for the O/T rant

[Scuffers]

Sorry, don't do Facebook.

To me it sums up our PC world, we have gother to the point where somebody is always going to be offended at almost anything.

[smegmore]

Scuffers said:

Bill said:

Really? Ted was never a fan of homophobia.

And this is where you fail spectacularly

It's got nothing to do with homophobia.

Agreed.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Sorry, don't do Facebook.

To me it sums up our PC world, we have gother to the point where somebody is always going to be offended at almost anything.

To my mind-people always got offended by things, it's just that now they're more likely to speak up about being offended, and people are more likely to listen to them.

It can go too far, but again mostly the people arguing it has seem to be white, straight older men who just think the rest of the world should take their abuse.

[Scuffers]

cookie118 said:

To my mind-people always got offended by things, it's just that now they're more likely to speak up about being offended, and people are more likely to listen to them.

It can go too far, but again mostly the people arguing it has seem to be white, straight older men who just think the rest of the world should take their abuse.

So how does this theory work with Diane abbot?

[Bill]

BTW I've removed the Stephen Fry image because of the swearing (as the previous one was), feel free to repost it with the swearing blanked out.

[BGARK]

cookie118 said:

white, straight older men

These people seem to me a big problem these days, best we get rid completely as they contribute little to society.

[smegmore]

Bill said:

smegmore said:

More hair-trigger moderation on here.

'If we don't like your opinion or it conflicts with our company policy (ie Haymarket aka the prime minister who never was) then you're gone.

What a crock of ste.

(sorry to go off topic)

Really? Ted was never a fan of homophobia.

Ted ???

Jesus Christ.

I doubt there was such a word as 'homophobia' when 'Ted' was around and about this parish.



I await the ban hammer with the disdain which it so richly deserves.

PH has really turned to ste these days.

[wc98]

TKF said:

Not sure what your point is?

I said Farage is always apologising, you said he isn't. Why are you bringing your army of strawmen into it?

"Farage apology" brings up over 150k results
"UKIP sacked" is over 600k

And the stories just keep coming. You'd think that UKIP HQ would be contacting candidates and councillors and saying "Please don't say anything stupid", especially with an election looming. Either they haven't done it or they have and the members in question don't know where to draw the line with stupidity. A bit like you with pooftergate.

agreed, but then ukip do not have the luxury of having stories about their paedo members,pyramid scheme running chairmen etc buried in the middle of the papers.

[Scuffers]

Bill said:

BTW I've removed the Stephen Fry image because of the swearing (as the previous one was), feel free to repost it with the swearing blanked out.

You just can't help yourself can you?

[don4l]

TKF said:

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

Thanks for eloquently proving my point.

Actually, you seem to have just done that yourself!

which is more important? the economy? the security of the country? or you trying to point score?

Not sure what your point is?

I said Farage is always apologising, you said he isn't. Why are you bringing your army of strawmen into it?

"Farage apology" brings up over 150k results
"UKIP sacked" is over 600k

And the stories just keep coming. You'd think that UKIP HQ would be contacting candidates and councillors and saying "Please don't say anything stupid", especially with an election looming. Either they haven't done it or they have and the members in question don't know where to draw the line with stupidity. A bit like you with pooftergate.

You must have(not of) felt great when you see that "UKIP apology" turned up 150,000 results.

I must admit that I can see why you felt that this shored up your position.

However, I then typed "Labour Apology" into Google. You cannot imagine how surprised when I discovered that labour had issued a few more apologies.

It wasn't just 10 times more. It was 34 times more!

"Conservative apology" gets about 10,900,000 hits. That is rather more than Nigel. In fact it is 16 times more than Nigel.

"Liberal Democrat Apology" gets 1,530,000 results.

So, you are telling us that UKIP are 10 times less offensive than the LibDems???


This "Internet" thingie is a bit confusing, isn't it?

[Zod]

NicD said:

Is this man (the former Liebor Attorney General, no less) certifiable?

'“The requirements of any free trade agreement would make British removal from the clauses dealing with freedom of movement impossible,” he explained, “with the curious consequence that the single biggest cause of domestic irritation with the EU, immigration, would remain unaltered. But without its maintenance some 2 million UK citizens working in EU countries would find themselves becoming illegal immigrants overnight.”'

It seems absolute nonsense, both propositions advanced.

He's a realist. Any free trade agreement with the EU Member States will not be on whatever terms we name. We will have to make compromises. Like the EEA countries, we are likely to have to agree to at least some aspects of free movement of people.

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

e's a realist. Any free trade agreement with the EU Member States will not be on whatever terms we name. We will have to make compromises. Like the EEA countries, we are likely to have to agree to at least some aspects of free movement of people.

Absolute tosh

Did you listen to the budget today?

Our economy's growing, exports are up, at the same time, EU is stagnating, economies are shrinking.

They are soon going to be in no economic position to demand anything, if we pull out, their downfall will accelerate, how are they then going to dictate terms?

They cannot afford a trade war, yes, it would be painful to us, but it would be catastrophic for them.

[BGARK]

Zod said:

we are likely to have to agree to at least some aspects of free movement of people.

So why don't we do that now with the rest of the world?

[Mojocvh]

Bill said:

BTW I've removed the Stephen Fry image because of the swearing (as the previous one was), feel free to repost it with the swearing blanked out.

But you spectacularly demonstrate your own prejudice by your inaction on others...

"you couldn't make this up"

[FiF]

Off topic but just going to post this here to stir the pot seeing all the past history about people using the word indigenous and so on.

A genetic study by Oxford University suggests that nothing much has changed since 600AD, and they observe genetic clusters fitting the old Anglo Saxon kingdoms. Examples given include a divide almost along the border of Devon and Cornwall, and a cluster in West Riding which fits the boundary of the old Kingdom of Elmet.

They show little Viking or Roman DNA but of course the issue is the sampling criteria as always.

Anyway nothing to do with UkIP but no doubt some wiseacre will twist things to say all kippers want to go back 1400 years and evict the invading hordes or some other raving ballocks.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-ne...

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

So how does this theory work with Diane abbot?

Mostly

Mojocvh said:

But you spectacularly demonstrate your own prejudice by your inaction on others...

"you couldn't make this up"

I've never known an image with a swear word on it stay up?

Scuffers said:

They are soon going to be in no economic position to demand anything, if we pull out, their downfall will accelerate, how are they then going to dictate terms?

They cannot afford a trade war, yes, it would be painful to us, but it would be catastrophic for them.

Yes, but as I've pointed out beforehand in another thread any tit for tat trade war would be harder for us because the EU has a far greater population to disperse price increases from the trade war through, in net terms yes the EU would be paying more but per head they wouldn't.

Also, let's be honest it isn't going to be as hard for the typical PH'er is it? It's going to be hard for my generation, just out of university or going to university. We'll be the first to go when times get tough for companies, we'll be the ones having to try and build a career against an economic headwind and we'll not have as much ability to buy houses or anything to that matter.

FiF said:

Anyway nothing to do with UkIP but no doubt some wiseacre will twist things to say all kippers want to go back 1400 years and evict the invading hordes or some other raving ballocks.

That reminds me of someone picking on a quote from Nick Griffin where he boastedhe:
-"could trace his ancestry back to William the Conqueror"
-"Great, then he can fk of back to France!"