Bike thief drowns after cycling straight into harbour.
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
I just don't get the bleedin heart brigade. I very very much doubt this was his first offence and that there are a host of good decent people who have suffered at his hands.
I have far more sympathy with those he will have caused upset to.
Why, in your mind, can't there be a position in between?I have far more sympathy with those he will have caused upset to.
Why does one either have to celebrate the death of a scum thief or else be part of the bleeding heart brigade?
Not just you by the way. But so many on here show a poor ability to reason/argue/debate in a grown up manner.
You know it is possible to consider such thieves as scum without wishing death upon them. In fact it's probably where 90% of society sits.
tvrolet said:
NinjaPower said:
Jimboka said:
Pretty surprising that so many heartless & crass comments have been allowed on a public forum TBH, even where reported . Nobody's death should be celebrated or condoned . What's up with you guys?
Time to leave methinks..
You clearly have no idea of how much misery and distress this kind of 'petty' crime causes for ordinary law abiding people.Time to leave methinks..
After my mother died I was trying up her house - everything had been removed but I was going down every evening (about 40 miles away) and cleaning the place up. One time someone had broken in - jemmied door and broken doorframe. Nothing of value stolen, but jeez I was absolutely furious...and 4 years later when I think about it I still am.
If I was made aware they had died as a consequence of one of their other 'petty' crimes would I celebrate? Actually...yes. I would gladly toast their demise with a 'good riddance'. And consequently I will celebrate the removal of any other thieving scum from decent society.
Unlicensed drivers? Speeding drivers?
Which crimes are allowed in your decent society and which aren't?
oyster said:
Why, in your mind, can't there be a position in between?
Why does one either have to celebrate the death of a scum thief or else be part of the bleeding heart brigade?
Not just you by the way. But so many on here show a poor ability to reason/argue/debate in a grown up manner.
You know it is possible to consider such thieves as scum without wishing death upon them. In fact it's probably where 90% of society sits.
when you "grow up" you might tell me which part of my post celebrates the lads death.What I don't get is why he should be given any empathy.What if it had not been a bike but a pensioners savings and he had beaten them to get the money.Why does one either have to celebrate the death of a scum thief or else be part of the bleeding heart brigade?
Not just you by the way. But so many on here show a poor ability to reason/argue/debate in a grown up manner.
You know it is possible to consider such thieves as scum without wishing death upon them. In fact it's probably where 90% of society sits.
Its not about the bike its about a class of young people who feel that they can take things without any consequence.
oyster said:
Quick question, but do you feel the same about drink drivers?
Unlicensed drivers? Speeding drivers?
Not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse or just not attuned to the outlook and morals of normal people.Unlicensed drivers? Speeding drivers?
It is clearly down to the intention and the foreseeable consequences.
Even for what might be considered 'petty crime', if the intention is to go out thieving and the plainly anticipated consequence is that some poor sod will put in a state of distress having have his property violated and damaged, than I will shed no tear on the demise of the perpetrator, and yes I may even celebrate with, as above, a 'good riddance' toast. More-so if the perpetrator is a habitual criminal.
But I'll take your bait on speeding. If the intention is to cause death or injury or property damage and the tool of choice is a speeding vehicle, then yup...I'd be wanting to string these folks up too. If the intention was not to cause death, injury or damage but the consequence was pretty foreseeable such as 100mph in a 20mph zone at the end of a school-day then again I would have little sympathy for the perpetrator either. But say 80 on a clear motorway with absolutely no intention to kill or maim, in a well maintained car and an alert driver and no foreseeable consequence of any outcome other getting to one's destination in one piece without causing harm or issue to others, then fine.
oyster said:
Which crimes are allowed in your decent society and which aren't?
I think you're missing the point here. By virtue of it being a 'crime', it is by default 'not allowed' surely? Perhaps you meant what are the crimes where I have little or no sympathy for the wellbeing of the perpetrator as either a consequence of the crime or as punishment? And my answer is I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone where they intentionally set out to cause distress, pain, grief, financial loss, injury or death to an otherwise innocent party.
k him, an idiot. Darwinism at its finest.
Jimboka said:
Here Here - The report button is there to be used if content is offensive
That's a laugh....the report button only seems to work if certain un-named individuals choose to use it.... I've used it on many occasions without result!!!Edited by Jimboka on Sunday 12th October 23:47
1. I can't remember what fly on the wall police TV show it was, but it featured a little group of kids riding around a housing estate on trials bikes without crash helmets on. The police said 'We can't chase them, too risky'. A bit later in the show they came across the same kids walking down some rural lane with little plastic containers of petrol. They were on foot, not on their 'field bikes'. They're invited to sit in the police car. One of the lads is reminded how grateful he was of the police when his father was intent on beating him up, and that what gives when the police help save him and then he is riding around the estate on a motorcycle without a crash helmet on gesturing at police?
2. The same constabulary as this unfortunate death has broadcast a vehicle chase through the city centre for a couple of miles. It may have been a TWOCed Transit van. The police car cam footage includes the police personnel in the car clearly stating at least twice 'With due regard to Human Rights legislation, we've assessed the risk and deemed it safe to continue'. So seem to basically be stating for the sake of the recorded comms that they've done a Risk Assessment.
3. Do all British constabularies have a policy of not pursuing motorcycles?
We don't live in a digital, two state world. There are more than two choices.
He was a suspected thief. Being suspected of something isn't a good enough reason to wish death on someone is it?
I'd rather he was pulled from the harbour alive and faced a court. When members of the public have saved others a few hundred yards around the coast where other people have been in open water and not in a more sheltered harbour it doesn't look good to me that this suspected thief couldn't have been rescued. As stated before I thought all marked cars in this force had a throw line for rescuing people from water.
Those members of the public that saved others from open sea hadn't done police officer safety training and probably don't have throw lines in their cars.
2. The same constabulary as this unfortunate death has broadcast a vehicle chase through the city centre for a couple of miles. It may have been a TWOCed Transit van. The police car cam footage includes the police personnel in the car clearly stating at least twice 'With due regard to Human Rights legislation, we've assessed the risk and deemed it safe to continue'. So seem to basically be stating for the sake of the recorded comms that they've done a Risk Assessment.
3. Do all British constabularies have a policy of not pursuing motorcycles?
We don't live in a digital, two state world. There are more than two choices.
He was a suspected thief. Being suspected of something isn't a good enough reason to wish death on someone is it?
I'd rather he was pulled from the harbour alive and faced a court. When members of the public have saved others a few hundred yards around the coast where other people have been in open water and not in a more sheltered harbour it doesn't look good to me that this suspected thief couldn't have been rescued. As stated before I thought all marked cars in this force had a throw line for rescuing people from water.
Those members of the public that saved others from open sea hadn't done police officer safety training and probably don't have throw lines in their cars.
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