Bike thief drowns after cycling straight into harbour.

[WinstonWolf]

CamMoreRon said:

numtumfutunch said:

rxtx said:

Only here would a bunch of people be glad someone died whilst committing a minor crime. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

What consequence, if any, did the poor ickle dead person ever experience in their life prior to his Darwin moment I wonder?

It doesnt take a great leap of imagination to suggest this wasnt the first thing he nicked

This episode made me wonder why somebody would put themselves at risk of being apprehended by the Police by doing over a car parked in a pretty busy spot with nothing of value visible in broad daylight

My conclusion was that they obviously thought nobody would be bothered, and in the unlikely event that they were apprehended and processed by the judicial system the outcome would be something that wouldnt trouble them

So in this case one less scumbag roaming our streets is a bit of a result in my book

Cheers

I don't think you're right actually. Think about what drives a person to steal something.. especially a POS bike or a smash & grab. Is it for the jollies and the rewards, knowing that the risks are a ticking off from the authorities, or is it out of pure desperation, knowing that it is probably your only way to eat later?

People seem to have a complete empathy bypass when talking about criminals. This was a human being. Ok, he may have been a scummy one, and yes having things stolen is really really irritating, but nobody should be glad a person died - especially for such a trivial crime.

His death improves the human gene pool ergo it is good for society as a whole.

[CamMoreRon]

johnxjsc1985 said:

So having your hard earned possessions stolen is "irritating".

It certainly is! Last weekend someone stole my bag in broad daylight from a popular MTB spot. It was really, really annoying; but it certainly didn't kill me and my new (better) bag should be here tomorrow.

[Kermit power]

CamMoreRon said:

numtumfutunch said:

rxtx said:

Only here would a bunch of people be glad someone died whilst committing a minor crime. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

What consequence, if any, did the poor ickle dead person ever experience in their life prior to his Darwin moment I wonder?

It doesnt take a great leap of imagination to suggest this wasnt the first thing he nicked

This episode made me wonder why somebody would put themselves at risk of being apprehended by the Police by doing over a car parked in a pretty busy spot with nothing of value visible in broad daylight

My conclusion was that they obviously thought nobody would be bothered, and in the unlikely event that they were apprehended and processed by the judicial system the outcome would be something that wouldnt trouble them

So in this case one less scumbag roaming our streets is a bit of a result in my book

Cheers

I don't think you're right actually. Think about what drives a person to steal something.. especially a POS bike or a smash & grab. Is it for the jollies and the rewards, knowing that the risks are a ticking off from the authorities, or is it out of pure desperation, knowing that it is probably your only way to eat later?

People seem to have a complete empathy bypass when talking about criminals. This was a human being. Ok, he may have been a scummy one, and yes having things stolen is really really irritating, but nobody should be glad a person died - especially for such a trivial crime.

Chances are he'd have another way to eat later if he'd not blown the proceeds of his crimes on drugs.

I'd be more willing to contemplate having sympathy for criminals if the scummy fkers ever actually got any sort of reasonably harsh sentence when they got caught.

[mccrackenj]

TheJimi said:

Controversial question:

If you knew that he'd stolen the bike, or you were a local and you knew he was a known thief etc, and you were at the harbourside when he went off the edge.

What would you do?

I'd write for an ambulance.

[anonymous-user]

The UK prison population on 10/10/14 was 85,625. The capacity of the system was 87,879.

[Johnnytheboy]

Breadvan72 said:

The UK prison population on 10/10/14 was 85,625. The capacity of the system was 87,879.

We need to organise some seaside (or specifically harbourside) cycle races for our seasoned recidivists then!

[CamMoreRon]

Kermit power said:

Chances are he'd have another way to eat later if he'd not blown the proceeds of his crimes on drugs.

I'd be more willing to contemplate having sympathy for criminals if the scummy fkers ever actually got any sort of reasonably harsh sentence when they got caught.

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

[MitchT]

BlackLabel said:

Nice E36 M3 convertible there

[McWigglebum4th]

CamMoreRon said:

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

If the judicial system actually dealt with scrotes i wouldn't be smiling at dead scrote

[WinstonWolf]

CamMoreRon said:

Kermit power said:

Chances are he'd have another way to eat later if he'd not blown the proceeds of his crimes on drugs.

I'd be more willing to contemplate having sympathy for criminals if the scummy fkers ever actually got any sort of reasonably harsh sentence when they got caught.

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

Exactly, he's better off dead using your logic.

[CamMoreRon]

WinstonWolf said:

CamMoreRon said:

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

Exactly, he's better off dead using your logic.

Or would we all be better off if he was treated like a human being: rehabilitated and given some opportunity to make reparation and contribute to society.

[WinstonWolf]

CamMoreRon said:

WinstonWolf said:

CamMoreRon said:

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

Exactly, he's better off dead using your logic.

Or would we all be better off if he was treated like a human being: rehabilitated and given some opportunity to make reparation and contribute to society.

No.

HTH.

[sidicks]

CamMoreRon said:

Right.. and when a person values numbing themselves to the unrelenting stness of their life over securing their next meal, what does that say to you?

Well the whole judicial system is a joke anyway, isn't it? You commit crime due to no prospects, you go to prison for a bit, you come out and still have no prospects. Where's the motivation to do anything but carry on committing crime?

There are plenty of 'prospects' for those that can be bothered - the country provides 16 years of education and a variety of adult learning courses are also available.

Unfortunately a small subset of the population expect to have things put on a plate for them and expect to benefit from the hard work of others (another subset make excuses for them).

Edited by sidicks on Monday 13th October 13:05

[CamMoreRon]

WinstonWolf said:

No.

HTH.

What an incredibly depressing perspective.

[WinstonWolf]

CamMoreRon said:

WinstonWolf said:

No.

HTH.

What an incredibly depressing perspective.

Well you yourself said there's no incentive to stop, so for the common good the best kind of thief is a dead one.

[voyds9]

CamMoreRon said:

Or would we all be better off if he was treated like a human being: rehabilitated and given some opportunity to make reparation and contribute to society.

Surely, you mean another opportunity.

If he decided not to make use of school, careers advice and job opportunities why should we waste more money on him.

Let us instead us that money on people who have decided to live within normal society, those who attended education but are unable to find a well paying job, or even those that have good jobs, lets provide them with more opportunity as they may increase their pay and therefore pay more tax and so enable the system to help others.

[Joey Ramone]

Many of you rejoicing over this lad's demise are parents of young or teenage children. I'll put money on the fact that some of those children will grow up to do something stupid one day. Maybe something criminal.

Let's say your kid stole a bike. And then died as a consequence. Hopefully you could deal happily with the fact that strangers on some internet forum were celebrating his death.

He deserved a beating, for sure. He didn't deserve to die though.

[cptsideways]

CamMoreRon said:

WinstonWolf said:

No.

HTH.

What an incredibly depressing perspective.

And what percentage of rehabilitation actually works & produces results as opposed to simply creating jobs for social workers & more workload for the police & justice system?


Having had scrote neighbours & so speaking from several years of first hand experience I can assure you I'm on the "right side" of the fence. The justice system is (if it ever gets to that stage!) is a total failure for minor, petty crime & not a lot better for serious crime.

Round the scrotes up, send them off to Afghanistan on a one way only ticket, to fend for themselves as far as I'm concerned.

[Johnnytheboy]

Joey Ramone said:

Many of you rejoicing over this lad's demise are parents of young or teenage children. I'll put money on the fact that some of those children will grow up to do something stupid one day. Maybe something criminal.

Let's say your kid stole a bike. And then died as a consequence. Hopefully you could deal happily with the fact that strangers on some internet forum were celebrating his death.

He deserved a beating, for sure. He didn't deserve to die though.

People who die accidentally never "deserve it" in the classic sense. But some have it coming. Part of growing up is realising actions have consequences.

[Jim the Sunderer]

He was framed.