Forget marriage, now you can't even just live with them...

Forget marriage, now you can't even just live with them...

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anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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For clarity, as some may not know this, mediation is a form of alternative dispute resolution in which the parties attempt to resolve their differences by agreement, with a trained mediator acting as a deal broker. If a party unreasonably refuses to engage in mediation, the court may later apply a costs sanction, regardless of the outcome of the litigation.

sugerbear

4,034 posts

158 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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turbobloke said:
Back on-topic, local news coverage of the story is here.
That story has more holes than a very hole based swiss cheese that has spent the night at a mouse party.


Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Red 4 said:
Can someone point me in the direction of the nearest monastery - a small one, suitable only for a hermit would be preferable
You don't really need to go to those lengths to avoid such a situation...

The ruling does seem a bit odd, but then I guess we don't know every last ounce of what was presented. I also find the rulings in some divorce cases very bizarre (as someone noted above, I see little difference in a couple being married or a couple cohabiting for that length of time - our laws in that respect are outmoded IMO). But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Murph7355 said:
But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.
Which is ?

turbobloke

103,956 posts

260 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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sugerbear said:
turbobloke said:
Back on-topic, local news coverage of the story is here.
That story has more holes than a very hole based swiss cheese that has spent the night at a mouse party.
Impressive psychic powers on display there.

Red 4 said:
Murph7355 said:
But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.
Which is ?
Sex change?

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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turbobloke said:
Sex change?
Doubtful.

Murder, perhaps ?

turbobloke

103,956 posts

260 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Red 4 said:
turbobloke said:
Sex change?
Doubtful.

Murder, perhaps ?
Possibly, as in "I could murder a decent legal judgement"?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Red 4 said:
Murph7355 said:
But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.
Which is ?
Pay up front by the hour.

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Pre-nup. Make them a recognised arrangement.

grumbledoak

31,534 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Impasse said:
Pre-nup. Make them a recognised arrangement.
No nuptials! You would need a pre-cohabiting agreement both written and binding.

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Red 4 said:
Murph7355 said:
But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.
Which is ?
Some of the other suggestions might work...but simply don't move in/live with someone as if they were your wife to all intents and purposes. Or try getting arrangements down on paper in advance. Or at least make damn certain you're not going to get bored before ending up in such a situation!

This may, of course, limit your options.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Red 4 said:
Murph7355 said:
But there's a very easy way not to be subject to these things.
Which is ?
Pay up front by the hour.
I've no doubt he did - to his solicitor.

I have to say, that judgement must sting a bit ...

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Murph7355 said:
This may, of course, limit your options.
It does.

To be honest I can see both sides of the argument - however, there will only ever be one loser financially in circumstances such as this.

A 12 year live-in relationship may justify some monetary settlement - however, there are plenty of gold-diggers out there.

Terminator X

15,082 posts

204 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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"left her homeless"? Is she unable to rent scratchchin

TX.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Impasse said:
Pre-nup. Make them a recognised arrangement.
Following a Supreme Court decision made in 2010, pre nups can now have compelling or persuasive weight, but their efficacy depends on the facts in any give case. Agreements between unmarried co-habitees are likely to be upheld, absent some strong factor compelling a contrary decision.

Du1point8

Original Poster:

21,608 posts

192 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Terminator X said:
"left her homeless"? Is she unable to rent scratchchin

TX.
Not really he paid her rent for 6 months and she had a job that doubled her salary after he helped pay for her university education.

Just noticed he was going to pay they £28k and she then appealed again and got him to pay her £50k of legal fees.

That sounds a bit off... go to court, don't like decision, rack up loads more costs and keep going until another judge awards the costs against the other party.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Agreements between unmarried co-habitees are likely to be upheld, absent some strong factor compelling a contrary decision.
Something along the lines of 'he promised me home for life' should do it....

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I think that you are misreading the account of what happened. It was the bloke who appealed. Costs usually follow the event (ie the loser usually pays).

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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grumbledoak said:
No nuptials! You would need a pre-cohabiting agreement both written and binding.
Indeed. Let's expand on that. Let's have the presumption that upon breakdown of relations, you are only automatically entitled to what you (financially) brought into the relationship to be reinstated as long as circumstances allow. That should be considered as the norm and then do away with the requirement for a signed agreement.
Anything over and above this would need to be discussed and agreed on. And pillow talk should not be considered a binding declaration of intent.

Du1point8

Original Poster:

21,608 posts

192 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
I think that you are misreading the account of what happened. It was the bloke who appealed. Costs usually follow the event (ie the loser usually pays).
Not really....

He was asked to pay her £28k.
She then took it back to court and got all her costs.
He tried to appeal that and lost.

If she only got the £28k, it was still more than enough if all the rest of what he has paid out is in fact true...

Now it looks like he's in a worse financial situation then when he met her.

£140k equity moved on with £100k mortgage, house now worth £320k.

His equity should be above £220k+

Now he has to pay £100k court costs (hers and his) and £28k in living costs.

Thats no including the tens of thousands he's spent over the years on her and her family.