Jihadi John identified .... Or has he?

[Cheese Mechanic]

WestyCarl]heese Mechanic said:

Fact is, nobody forced this lunatic to do what he does, it does because he can and he wants to.

But why does he want to?

According to CAGE he does it because its everyone else's fault, and none of it his. Other than that, go and ask him. Highly likely he would come out with equally absurd and outlandish excuses like CAGE.

Fact is though, the man is a murdering psycopath.Needs to be eradicated, full stop.

[Blib]

WestyCarl said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

Fact is, nobody forced this lunatic to do what he does, it does because he can and he wants to.

But why does he want to?

Because, some people are homicidal maniacs.

[Cheese Mechanic]

Littlejohns take on things.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2971357/...

Would be a fine slice of black humour if it were not so bang on the button.

[durbster]

Guam said:

Of more interest to me is he is of Kuwaiti extraction, which reinforces my view that we should leave them to it.

Saving Kuwait lead to a murdering fkwit resident of our country who thinks the west (who saved Kuwaits arse) are in need of mass slaughter.

Conveniently ignoring the more recent western invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq there I see.

[WestyCarl]

Blib said:

Because, some people are homicidal maniacs.

Sorry, I think that's too easy an answer.

[scorp]

Cheese Mechanic said:

According to CAGE he does it because its everyone else's fault, and none of it his. Other than that, go and ask him. Highly likely he would come out with equally absurd and outlandish excuses like CAGE.

Fact is though, the man is a murdering psycopath.Needs to be eradicated, full stop.

You keep on describing symptoms, we want to know the cause. It's all well and good saying he needs eradicated but without knowing what process he underwent then this will be a recurring problem.

[Mojocvh]

onyx39 said:

kenny.R400 said:

This airtime given to these CAGE assholes is unfathomable and f*cking disgusting, Why??

My thoughts exactly.
During the troubles, the IRA were not allowed airtimes, surely this falls under the same heading?

No no no, that is the LAST thing that should happen, these scum need to be uncovered to the general public so that the people can realise just how far those responsible have let thing slide...

[Cheese Mechanic]

scorp said:

You keep on describing symptoms, we want to know the cause. It's all well and good saying he needs eradicated but without knowing what process he underwent then this will be a recurring problem.

He is an Islamist nut job, he tried to join a Somali terror group six years ago. So he's been pumped by extremists for a long while apparently. Hence his surveillance.

The cause is within extremist Islam, he is only one of many after all. His profile being higher than most. He is, really, just another murdering Islamist headcase. I assume in understanding extremist Islam then it may help to understand the delusions of those lunatics. Many lay the problem at the feet of Wahabist/Salafist Islam.

As outlined in this article here: http://jordantimes.com/we-have-a-problem

[Adrian W]

we should send anyone associated with cage to Syria on the next available flight, and not let them come back.

[Blib]

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Because, some people are homicidal maniacs.

Sorry, I think that's too easy an answer.

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

[WestyCarl]

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

[Digga]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Many lay the problem at the feet of Wahabist/Salafist Islam.

Bit of a ramble this, but bear with me.

A cousin served out in Kuwait in the Military Police. He's a fking tough lad, boxes for fun. and also very brave. A bravery award for selflessly rescuing a druggie from drowning/suicide on the North Yorkshire coast, at night, in the winter a few years back (he's now in the regular police) is just one example of the man.

When he got back from Kuwait he got in touch with me, out of the blue, mid week and asked if he might come and stay with my wife and I for a few nights. We'd always got on well, but this was not a regular 'thing' and I was surprised, but also accepted immediately, sensing that something might be up which, long story short, chatting with him at the pub, over a few beers it clearly was.

Aside from some fun moments in service, he'd been left deeply traumatised by his experience of the culture. The low point being a trip he and another officer had been required to make into town on a Friday, ostensibly to liaise with local police, but latterly he thinks it was set up by them. As they left the meeting, it had been timed to coincide with everyone thronging into the centre to watch the weeks barbaric punishments and, try as they might, the could not get to their awaiting vehicles and were instead, swept by the crowds into the square. They were jostled to the front - punishment witnessed by infidels being the greater, the relatives of the prisoners were attempting to shove them back the other way - and in the end they fled, across the stage and ran for their lives.

The barbarity of the whole thing, the attitude towards 'infidels', the deviousness of those involved is, I think, what troubled him most and also what is central to the whole clash with the West.

[Blib]

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

[LastLight]

spadriver said:

One things for sure, he would never get past Border Control.

Would he?????
I REALLY REALLY hope this gets killed by a woman.
Or send his alive but battered body over here, the wild boar could do with a change of diet!

Should not 'Border Control' be followed by sic.

BBC quoted that of the estimated (how low) 600 jihadists who went to Syria 300 have returned! I bet our security services and police are well set up to monitor all 300 and their contacts and devotees... not.

[WestyCarl]

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

No idea until we found how he went from an apparently normal school kid to where he is now. That's my whole point.

[Langweilig]

After his capture, shove him in a boxing ring and make him go ten rounds with a British or American female boxing champion.

Then exact poetic justice upon him.

[Blib]

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

No idea until we found how he went from an apparently normal school kid to where he is now. That's my whole point.

Have you noticed that the neighbours of mass murderers usually don't have a clue that the bloke next door is a nutter?

[WestyCarl]

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

No idea until we found how he went from an apparently normal school kid to where he is now. That's my whole point.

Have you noticed that the neighbours of mass murderers usually don't have a clue that the bloke next door is a nutter?

Oh, I see. So you believe he was a vicious be-heading murderer at school, it's just no had a clue.

[Blib]

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

No idea until we found how he went from an apparently normal school kid to where he is now. That's my whole point.

Have you noticed that the neighbours of mass murderers usually don't have a clue that the bloke next door is a nutter?

Oh, I see. So you believe he was a vicious be-heading murderer at school, it's just no had a clue.

Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Are you suggesting that Peter Sutcliffe killed lots of his classmates?

[WestyCarl]

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

WestyCarl said:

Blib said:

Oh well. It fits the bill. Do you believe he's a victim?

No. But I'd like to find out why he's turned out like he has to try and prevent it happening again.
Still, as you say he's a lunatic so lets just leave it at that and do nothing to prevent others following his path......

How would you prevent it happening again?

No idea until we found how he went from an apparently normal school kid to where he is now. That's my whole point.

Have you noticed that the neighbours of mass murderers usually don't have a clue that the bloke next door is a nutter?

Oh, I see. So you believe he was a vicious be-heading murderer at school, it's just no had a clue.

Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Are you suggesting that Peter Sutcliffe killed lots of his classmates?

No, but that's exactly my point.
He was a "normal" kid. Somewhere between then and now he became the monster he is now. We should investigate why this happened, he didn't just wake up one day in his 20's and become a monster.
We need to understand his path from "normal" to "monster" otherwise what chance to we have of preventing it happening again.