Oxymoronic French law on veils raises its head again...

[wolves_wanderer]

TTwiggy said:

pete a said:

I mean we don't have these issues with Chinese folks do we, they go to work and get on with it, and do their own thing in private, I've never heard anyone be negative about Chinese immigration or customs .

Muslims are just the foreign bogeymen du jour. There was a point (somewhere around the end of the 19 century) where the Chinese were viewed with quite a bit of suspicion. It was all opium dens and debauchery back then - at least according to the press...

I had a Chinese mate at school in the 90s and my gran was very worried the family would give me opium

[Asterix]

TTwiggy said:

pete a said:

It was all opium dens and debauchery back then

Yeah, but that's cool.

No bacon! Weirdos!

[Countdown]

pete a said:

By accommodating I mean that in most Muslim ruled countries around the world I am told exactly what I can and can't and can do, how I can dress, what I can drink, who I can kiss, who I can fk, what my wife must wear when sunbathing, that no I can't have bacon for breakfast etc etc etc... They don't accommodate me and what I want, I have to fit in to their society.

And guess what, I'm fine with that, as a guest in their country I should respect their laws and ways or don't visit or go there.

Good for you. If you are happy with living under a system that tells you how to dress,what you can drink, who you can kiss, what your wife can wear etc. you are free to go and live there. I much prefer living in the UK because it doesn't have such restrictions on personal choice.

pete a said:

Why can't Muslims do this in other countries they end up in when they expect it in their own country??? No really and I'd like you to address this very important point.

Most Muslims in the UK are British. This is "their" country. They have as much right as you to decide what they can and can't wear. They are expecting no more and no less than you. Or do you think they should have fewer rights than you?

[Asterix]

Countdown said:

Most Muslims in the UK are British. This is "their" country. They have as much right as you to decide what they can and can't wear. They are expecting no more and no less than you. Or do you think they should have fewer rights than you?

I've always believed it muslim first [Insert country] second.

[pete a]

Asterix said:

I've always believed it muslim first [Insert country] second.

I agree, more British born Muslims have signed up to ISIS this year than to Her Majesty's Armed Forces...???

[TTwiggy]

pete a said:

I agree, more British born Muslims have signed up to ISIS this year than to Her Majesty's Armed Forces...???

Well you see our armed forces are currently being cut back while they are actively recruiting. It's the free market in action.

[Asterix]

Maybe the Armed Forces should offer 72 Slags as a bonus.

I'd sign back up for that.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

TTwiggy said:

Muslims are just the foreign bogeymen du jour.

That may be true, but that's not the issue here. What we're discussing is the veil, something many Muslims oppose.

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

[zuby84]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

You're right. It's a health issue as you have pointed out.

[TTwiggy]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That may be true, but that's not the issue here. What we're discussing is the veil, something many Muslims oppose.

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

Some posters seem intent on winning the arguement by mentioning British Muslims fighting for IS, so with respect, it's rather moved on on both sides.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

zuby84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

You're right. It's a health issue as you have pointed out.

Are you denying that there are negative health implications to wearing that ridiculous garb in Northern Europe. I said it was one of many aspects that were concerning and one of many reasons why it should be banned. What part of that isn't accurate?

[FredClogs]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

zuby84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

You're right. It's a health issue as you have pointed out.

Are you denying that there are negative health implications to wearing that ridiculous garb in Northern Europe. I said it was one of many aspects that were concerning and one of many reasons why it should be banned. What part of that isn't accurate?

I'd like to hear them.

There are definitely negative health impacts concerned with getting your knickers in a twist, perhaps we should ban tight fitting undies - it may help you relax?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

FredClogs said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

zuby84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

You're right. It's a health issue as you have pointed out.

Are you denying that there are negative health implications to wearing that ridiculous garb in Northern Europe. I said it was one of many aspects that were concerning and one of many reasons why it should be banned. What part of that isn't accurate?

I'd like to hear them.

See link. Although I'm not sure why I am bothering, as it's clear you have nothing sensible to add to this debate.

http://tbknews.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/muslim-women...

[FredClogs]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

FredClogs said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

zuby84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

People can try and turn it into a race issue, or a xenophobia issue, because it's a lazy way of trying to win the argument.

You're right. It's a health issue as you have pointed out.

Are you denying that there are negative health implications to wearing that ridiculous garb in Northern Europe. I said it was one of many aspects that were concerning and one of many reasons why it should be banned. What part of that isn't accurate?

I'd like to hear them.

See link.

http://tbknews.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/muslim-women...

Ok! I've bookmarked "Truthbeknown.com" never know when I'll need cheering up.

[Hugo a Gogo]

you don't actually know if some of these women (in N Europe) go out without the big robes though, maybe every other weekend they go skinny dipping, maybe they only wear it once in a while

I certainly won't stop my kids wearing a ghost/ninja costume at halloween because of the danger of low vitamin D

[Einion Yrth]

Hugo a Gogo said:

I certainly won't stop my kids wearing a ghost/ninja costume at halloween because of the danger of low vitamin D

Surely they'll be wearing it when it's dark, anyway.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Einion Yrth said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

I certainly won't stop my kids wearing a ghost/ninja costume at halloween because of the danger of low vitamin D

Surely they'll be wearing it when it's dark, anyway.

pah, details

edit: or maybe you are saying we can allow women to wear this stuff at night

Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Thursday 23 October 10:34

[TwigtheWonderkid]

FredClogs said:

Ok! I've bookmarked "Truthbeknown.com" never know when I'll need cheering up.

Why are you even in this debate? You've contributed nothing of any worth. Some others who I disagree with have made some valid points, to enhance the discussion, but not you. You just spout pure drivel.

[FredClogs]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

FredClogs said:

Ok! I've bookmarked "Truthbeknown.com" never know when I'll need cheering up.

Why are you even in this debate? You've contributed nothing of any worth. Some others who I disagree with have made some valid points, to enhance the discussion, but not you. You just spout pure drivel.

Lol

[wolves_wanderer]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

FredClogs said:

Ok! I've bookmarked "Truthbeknown.com" never know when I'll need cheering up.

Why are you even in this debate? You've contributed nothing of any worth. Some others who I disagree with have made some valid points, to enhance the discussion, but not you. You just spout pure drivel.

Call him thick Twig, that normally works