Oxymoronic French law on veils raises its head again...

[Hugo a Gogo]

are nuns banned from going out in public dressed in their silly outfits too?

[Mojocvh]

Hugo a Gogo said:

are nuns banned from going out in public dressed in their silly outfits too?

They are identifiable however..

[Soov535]

Hugo a Gogo said:

are nuns banned from going out in public dressed in their silly outfits too?

They show their faces.

[JagLover]

Soov535 said:

They show their faces.

Yes I think that is the cut off really.

Women are free to dress as modestly as they wish but once they start wearing face veils they are not engaging with others, hence why any civilised nation would want to discourage the practice.

[Hugo a Gogo]

but hijab headscarves are banned, where the face is shown

I think it's a load of bks, generally

If I want to wear a spiderman mask every thursday, that's my business

and if I don't want to 'engage with others' I might sit on the London underground in silence like everyone else

[dandarez]

Hugo a Gogo said:

but hijab headscarves are banned, where the face is shown

I think it's a load of bks, generally

If I want to wear a spiderman mask every thursday, that's my business

and if I don't want to 'engage with others' I might sit on the London underground in silence like everyone else

This Thursday you walk into your bank with your spiderman face mask on and see what happens?

[gpo746]

Its no wonder some opf the women wear them in Brum

[Esseesse]

Hugo a Gogo said:

but hijab headscarves are banned, where the face is shown

I think it's a load of bks, generally

If I want to wear a spiderman mask every thursday, that's my business

and if I don't want to 'engage with others' I might sit on the London underground in silence like everyone else

Any man wearing a Spiderman mask in a public place would be intimidating to others. That's why men don't wear Spiderman masks in town, only little boys on the way to a fancy dress party.

[Hooli]

gpo746 said:

Its no wonder some opf the women wear them in Brum

Most of their women seem to need them for the sake of public mental health...

[TKF]

Soov535 said:

TKF said:

Soov535 said:

Try going out in public wearing a balaclava and see how long it is before you get nicked.

But of course the veil is fine.

Any record of anyone anywhere ever being arrested for wearing a balaclava?

I do know of a couple of people who tried it and got told to take them off sharpish.

Of course not

[FredClogs]

Esseesse said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

but hijab headscarves are banned, where the face is shown

I think it's a load of bks, generally

If I want to wear a spiderman mask every thursday, that's my business

and if I don't want to 'engage with others' I might sit on the London underground in silence like everyone else

Any man wearing a Spiderman mask in a public place would be intimidating to others. That's why men don't wear Spiderman masks in town, only little boys on the way to a fancy dress party.

And spiderman!

I think that people should be able to wear what the feck they like, I don't care.

I think dressing up the burkha ban as an argument about feminist ideals falls at the first hurdle (i.e some articulate muslim women says - my husband is not forcing me to do anything I want to wear it).

Dressing up the argument (in this country, france is different) as one of secularism in a modern UK is pointless until we ban all the other religious or cultural symbology from UK life, i.e the turban, skull cap, priestly gowns and dog collars and football shirts.

So what are we left with - basically a load of people saying "I don't like that, it looks different, I'm scared she might be a suicide bomber".

Essentially xenophobic, near racist bks.

Live and let live, viva la difference.

[grumbledoak]

In general I am proud of our tolerance, but we don't have to tolerate absolutely everything and anything. I don't see a problem with this at all. You can wear what you like in your own home but you are not completely free to wear whatever you like in public. Guess what? You never were. It has just become an issue recently.

You are quite free to stay indoors, too.

Edited by grumbledoak on Tuesday 21st October 17:38

[FredClogs]

grumbledoak said:

In general I am proud of our tolerance, but we don't have to tolerate absolutely everything and anything. I don't see a problem with this at all. You can wear what you like in your own home but you are not completely free to wear whatever you like in public. Guess what? You never were. It has just become an issue recently.

You are quite free to stay indoors, too.

Edited by grumbledoak on Tuesday 21st October 17:38

What aren't I allowed to wear in public by statute law?

[andymc]

FredClogs said:

Esseesse said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

but hijab headscarves are banned, where the face is shown

I think it's a load of bks, generally

If I want to wear a spiderman mask every thursday, that's my business

and if I don't want to 'engage with others' I might sit on the London underground in silence like everyone else

Any man wearing a Spiderman mask in a public place would be intimidating to others. That's why men don't wear Spiderman masks in town, only little boys on the way to a fancy dress party.

And spiderman!

I think that people should be able to wear what the feck they like, I don't care.

I think dressing up the burkha ban as an argument about feminist ideals falls at the first hurdle (i.e some articulate muslim women says - my husband is not forcing me to do anything I want to wear it).

Dressing up the argument (in this country, france is different) as one of secularism in a modern UK is pointless until we ban all the other religious or cultural symbology from UK life, i.e the turban, skull cap, priestly gowns and dog collars and football shirts.

So what are we left with - basically a load of people saying "I don't like that, it looks different, I'm scared she might be a suicide bomber".

Essentially xenophobic, near racist bks.

Live and let live, viva la difference.

I'm sorry but when in Rome etc etc, any religion that requires women to cover themselves up to prevent men from lusting after them (very ironic after Rotherham etc etc) has no place in modern society

[grumbledoak]

FredClogs said:

What aren't I allowed to wear in public by statute law?

You are not free to walk around naked.

[loose cannon]

Fred go over to the land of the burker dressed as a vicar and see how you get on, I bet they won't ask you politely to change your clothing I think at the very least they would beat you to death with a slipper

[FredClogs]

grumbledoak said:

FredClogs said:

What aren't I allowed to wear in public by statute law?

You are not free to walk around naked.

I don't know about you but I would definitely get raped by the women in my office if I wasn't covered up!

FWIW I'm not even sure that is covered by statute, doesn't it just come under indecency laws, I mean you can go buff in some places.

[wolves_wanderer]

loose cannon said:

Fred go over to the land of the burker dressed as a vicar and see how you get on, I bet they won't ask you politely to change your clothing I think at the very least they would beat you to death with a slipper

Well they clearly have a degree of freedom we should be copying.

[FredClogs]

loose cannon said:

Fred go over to the land of the burker dressed as a vicar and see how you get on, I bet they won't ask you politely to change your clothing I think at the very least they would beat you to death with a slipper

I think that's a very poor rationale for creating law.

And I'm not sure where the land of the burker is...

[TKF]

FredClogs said:

loose cannon said:

Fred go over to the land of the burker dressed as a vicar and see how you get on, I bet they won't ask you politely to change your clothing I think at the very least they would beat you to death with a slipper

I think that's a very poor rationale for creating law.

And I'm not sure where the land of the burker is...

It's Germany, I think. He's been dead for 30yrs, mind.