The peado finder general appointment
Discussion
carinaman said:
1. The full stupidity of the South Yorks. BBC televised raid of the Berkshire apartment of Sir Cliff Richard is now known with Sir Cliff suing.
2. Exaro and their secure drop box of leads about historic paedophila closes.
3. Lowell Goddard who was ranked 63 out of 63 judges in a survey of NZ judges resigns as she doesn't understand the 'local scene' and seemed very slow on the uptake with Emmerson QC having to spoon feed her in public?
4. BBC Radio news ending with 'Perhaps it's too difficult' lastnight even though local police forces are securing convictions for historic sex offences from 1970s?
It's not possible to sabotage an Inquiry?
Look at the 'Learning Lessons' mega tome from Chilcot. Wasn't Chilcot involved in the Hutton Inquiry too?
The IPCC pull a Misconduct hearing against three police officers for tasering an off duty Fireman as it seems some people have with held evidence or didn't look for evidence?
IPCC seek to shred their own report into the tasering and death of Jordon Begley?
It would seem entirely possible that this historic sex abuse Inquiry could be sabotaged from within or nudged to help it towards a pre-determined outcome.
The whole enquiry has been set up to ultimately fail. Lumping all the various allegations of abuse carried out by members of various parts of the establishment into one all-encompassing mega-enquiry was only ever going to lead to the complete fustercluck that this is turning out to be.2. Exaro and their secure drop box of leads about historic paedophila closes.
3. Lowell Goddard who was ranked 63 out of 63 judges in a survey of NZ judges resigns as she doesn't understand the 'local scene' and seemed very slow on the uptake with Emmerson QC having to spoon feed her in public?
4. BBC Radio news ending with 'Perhaps it's too difficult' lastnight even though local police forces are securing convictions for historic sex offences from 1970s?
It's not possible to sabotage an Inquiry?
Look at the 'Learning Lessons' mega tome from Chilcot. Wasn't Chilcot involved in the Hutton Inquiry too?
The IPCC pull a Misconduct hearing against three police officers for tasering an off duty Fireman as it seems some people have with held evidence or didn't look for evidence?
IPCC seek to shred their own report into the tasering and death of Jordon Begley?
It would seem entirely possible that this historic sex abuse Inquiry could be sabotaged from within or nudged to help it towards a pre-determined outcome.
The longer it drags on like this, the more disinterested the public become and the perpetrators start to age and die off anyway, exactly as the establishment wants. This was probably one of the most effective things Cameron did when he was in office, performing his duties to protect the insiders as well as he possibly could.
I've tried to keep quite on a lot of these threads as I know this place well and how much some like to leap on any slightly off party line suggestion. It is rightly an emotive and highly charge topic.
The reality of it all though is that this is utterly doomed to failure and the whole set up is just that, a set up to make it look like 'something is being done' because there is so much public outcry that 'something must be done' on Social and Old Media.
The scope is vast and ranges from the 15 years old and 362 days sober young lady that begged to be allowed to blow the band at the Oglethorpe Ball Room in 1976 to those who were genuinely abused as young children/teens by the very people who the outside world thought were supposed to be protecting them.
I work on the fringes of the Media from time to time and have heard all manner of names linked to investigations and suggestions that 'Everyone knows X is up to their neck in it but given their national treasure status nothing will ever happen until they are dead.'
How do they prove these allegations though to the necessary criminal standard? The answer is that they can't.
You are reading about Police Forces securing convictions for 30+ year old sex crimes. Have you noticed that these are all where there was a crime reported at the time and evidence taken and kept until science had evolved to the stage where the evidence could be used to find the criminal? I would be willing to bet that in 99.9999999% of the victims of these abusers though never reported the crime at the time and much less is there any physical evidence. That is not to doubt or belittle their cases, only to highlight that almost all of these are going to be one person's word against that of another.
I would be one of the very last to be saying that people should be allowed to sleep easy and get away with such disgusting crimes but I am also a realist and wonder just what all this is going to achieve other than to set to rest the minds of a very few of the abused who may one day see their attacker brought to justice? Justice built upon the pyre of 1000 unsuccessful cases where the victim has had their trauma brought afresh and then their hopes of justice destroyed, for every proven one.
I don't have the answer for what we should do about it, but can see clearly that there is no way that this inquiry is going to actually DO anything. Money would be far better spent on trying to protect those who are in harms way but have yet to be harmed than on a million lost causes in the hope that there will be one to use as a beacon.
The reality of it all though is that this is utterly doomed to failure and the whole set up is just that, a set up to make it look like 'something is being done' because there is so much public outcry that 'something must be done' on Social and Old Media.
The scope is vast and ranges from the 15 years old and 362 days sober young lady that begged to be allowed to blow the band at the Oglethorpe Ball Room in 1976 to those who were genuinely abused as young children/teens by the very people who the outside world thought were supposed to be protecting them.
I work on the fringes of the Media from time to time and have heard all manner of names linked to investigations and suggestions that 'Everyone knows X is up to their neck in it but given their national treasure status nothing will ever happen until they are dead.'
How do they prove these allegations though to the necessary criminal standard? The answer is that they can't.
You are reading about Police Forces securing convictions for 30+ year old sex crimes. Have you noticed that these are all where there was a crime reported at the time and evidence taken and kept until science had evolved to the stage where the evidence could be used to find the criminal? I would be willing to bet that in 99.9999999% of the victims of these abusers though never reported the crime at the time and much less is there any physical evidence. That is not to doubt or belittle their cases, only to highlight that almost all of these are going to be one person's word against that of another.
I would be one of the very last to be saying that people should be allowed to sleep easy and get away with such disgusting crimes but I am also a realist and wonder just what all this is going to achieve other than to set to rest the minds of a very few of the abused who may one day see their attacker brought to justice? Justice built upon the pyre of 1000 unsuccessful cases where the victim has had their trauma brought afresh and then their hopes of justice destroyed, for every proven one.
I don't have the answer for what we should do about it, but can see clearly that there is no way that this inquiry is going to actually DO anything. Money would be far better spent on trying to protect those who are in harms way but have yet to be harmed than on a million lost causes in the hope that there will be one to use as a beacon.
Lucas Ayde said:
The whole enquiry has been set up to ultimately fail. Lumping all the various allegations of abuse carried out by members of various parts of the establishment into one all-encompassing mega-enquiry was only ever going to lead to the complete fustercluck that this is turning out to be.
The longer it drags on like this, the more disinterested the public become and the perpetrators start to age and die off anyway, exactly as the establishment wants. This was probably one of the most effective things Cameron did when he was in office, performing his duties to protect the insiders as well as he possibly could.
Some think there's a significant number of Home Office personnel 'seconded' to this Inquiry so it could seem that the establishment are investigating themselves.The longer it drags on like this, the more disinterested the public become and the perpetrators start to age and die off anyway, exactly as the establishment wants. This was probably one of the most effective things Cameron did when he was in office, performing his duties to protect the insiders as well as he possibly could.
Was Goddard constrained by being laden with Home Office personnel?
I'm not too sure what to make of the Joshua Rozeneberg FaceBook comments on the metter.
V8 Fettler said:
The next chairman/woman/person needs to be on a fee that's weighted with a substantial bonus on completion of the project, it might get finished then.
Are there thirteen different strands to the Inquiry? They've made it deliberately huge, unwieldly and complicated so they can take years on it and deliver some padded out tome that has very litle substance?With thirteen different strands does the Inquiry need to be chaired by a Judge or a Project Manager?
Has it cost almost £20 Million so far?
A completion bonus or fee is a good suggestion, but has Goddard, rated 63 out of 63 on a 2014 survey of New Zealand Judges, been given such a huge amount of money as she's expected to go along with what she's told or manipulated to do?
It could seem the mainstream are peddling a line that the Inquiry as being too difficult a task and it can never deliver what it's set out to achieve, rather than thinking that Goddard just wasn't up to the job or unsuitable for the task?
Many people have been unsuitable Prime Ministers but nobody has blamed the job and said 'scrap it'.
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