Tories the future (part1)
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calling all Wombats, calling all Wombats ........... over here my marsupial friend 
I started this thread specifically for you to post your recruitment drive for the Tory party and what do you do? Spend all your time and effort elsewhere being negative about the kippers.
Please feel free to pop back to see us from time to time, it has been nice (mostly) sparring with you but I think it is time to set you free into the big wide world. After all being positive about what you passionately believe has surely got to be better than always being negative about things you don't....Have fun old bean and fill your boots
Tweet from a Czech minister, this sitting on the fence for Cameron is proving to be a pain in the arse. He's not placated the EU sceptics like myself, but he's upsetting the Pro EU in his party by publicly pandering to UKIP concerns and he's pissing off the other EU countries because he seems duplicitous!
Daft Czech cock.
This is not about fighter pilots or poles, many of the latter who work hard and make a contribution to this country. This is about the hordes of beggars who are infesting our streets. I don't know where they come from,but that is the issue I am concerned about. We don't need to import beggars. The problem is that the EU has taken in states who are in no way compatible with the core EU members.
The problem with Cameron is what was he thinking when he said he would reduce immigration when he and any other semi intelligent life form knew that short of leaving the EU there was nothing he could do about it.
The EU was basically a post-1945 system of war reparations whereby Germany was allowed to reindustrialise provided that they subsidised the French agricultural economy. A cosy relationship, which was why de Gaulle never wanted Britain involved. It then developed into a very rational free trade area, at which point I strongly supported it. They had to choose between economic and political priorities. They chose political priorities. Therefore they have been hijacked by a largely unelected elite who are trying to create a superstate. Unfortunately the Eurocentric world in which it was created has ceased to exist and their superstate is an unsustainable monolith. Therefore we need to pursue our international ambitions outside it.
We have a more immediate problem.
Westminster is busy throwing more and more powers at Scotland in satisfaction of some ill conceived 'Vow' given by Gordon Brown prior to the Independence referendum. Brown was and is a f
king clown whose only political ability is to be the worlds greatest bully. Everyone has forgotten that 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against independence, and they did not imho do so because they wanted more independence. They did so because they are principally British and they want the whole SNP thing to go away and let them get on with their lives. Instead of which the Government gives the SNP all the rope they could possibly need to hang us all.
This is not about fighter pilots or poles, many of the latter who work hard and make a contribution to this country. This is about the hordes of beggars who are infesting our streets. I don't know where they come from,but that is the issue I am concerned about. We don't need to import beggars. The problem is that the EU has taken in states who are in no way compatible with the core EU members.
The problem with Cameron is what was he thinking when he said he would reduce immigration when he and any other semi intelligent life form knew that short of leaving the EU there was nothing he could do about it.
The EU was basically a post-1945 system of war reparations whereby Germany was allowed to reindustrialise provided that they subsidised the French agricultural economy. A cosy relationship, which was why de Gaulle never wanted Britain involved. It then developed into a very rational free trade area, at which point I strongly supported it. They had to choose between economic and political priorities. They chose political priorities. Therefore they have been hijacked by a largely unelected elite who are trying to create a superstate. Unfortunately the Eurocentric world in which it was created has ceased to exist and their superstate is an unsustainable monolith. Therefore we need to pursue our international ambitions outside it.
We have a more immediate problem.
Westminster is busy throwing more and more powers at Scotland in satisfaction of some ill conceived 'Vow' given by Gordon Brown prior to the Independence referendum. Brown was and is a f
king clown whose only political ability is to be the worlds greatest bully. Everyone has forgotten that 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against independence, and they did not imho do so because they wanted more independence. They did so because they are principally British and they want the whole SNP thing to go away and let them get on with their lives. Instead of which the Government gives the SNP all the rope they could possibly need to hang us all.Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 29th November 09:22
mrpurple said:
calling all Wombats, calling all Wombats ........... over here my marsupial friend I started this thread specifically for you to post your recruitment drive for the Tory party and what do you do? Spend all your time and effort elsewhere being negative about the kippers.
Please feel free to pop back to see us from time to time, it has been nice (mostly) sparring with you but I think it is time to set you free into the big wide world. After all being positive about what you passionately believe has surely got to be better than always being negative about things you don't....Have fun old bean and fill your boots
Not surprised.
cardigankid said:
Daft Czech cock.
This is not about fighter pilots or poles, many of the latter who work hard and make a contribution to this country. This is about the hordes of beggars who are infesting our streets. I don't know where they come from,but that is the issue I am concerned about. We don't need to import beggars. The problem is that the EU has taken in states who are in no way compatible with the core EU members.
The problem with Cameron is what was he thinking when he said he would reduce immigration when he and any other semi intelligent life form knew that short of leaving the EU there was nothing he could do about it.
The EU was basically a post-1945 system of war reparations whereby Germany was allowed to reindustrialise provided that they subsidised the French agricultural economy. A cosy relationship, which was why de Gaulle never wanted Britain involved. It then developed into a very rational free trade area, at which point I strongly supported it. They had to choose between economic and political priorities. They chose political priorities. Therefore they have been hijacked by a largely unelected elite who are trying to create a superstate. Unfortunately the Eurocentric world in which it was created has ceased to exist and their superstate is an unsustainable monolith. Therefore we need to pursue our international ambitions outside it.
We have a more immediate problem.
Westminster is busy throwing more and more powers at Scotland in satisfaction of some ill conceived 'Vow' given by Gordon Brown prior to the Independence referendum. Brown was and is a fking clown whose only political ability is to be the worlds greatest bully. Everyone has forgotten that 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against independence, and they did not imho do so because they wanted more independence. They did so because they are principally British and they want the whole SNP thing to go away and let them get on with their lives. Instead of which the Government gives the SNP all the rope they could possibly need to hang us all.
+1This is not about fighter pilots or poles, many of the latter who work hard and make a contribution to this country. This is about the hordes of beggars who are infesting our streets. I don't know where they come from,but that is the issue I am concerned about. We don't need to import beggars. The problem is that the EU has taken in states who are in no way compatible with the core EU members.
The problem with Cameron is what was he thinking when he said he would reduce immigration when he and any other semi intelligent life form knew that short of leaving the EU there was nothing he could do about it.
The EU was basically a post-1945 system of war reparations whereby Germany was allowed to reindustrialise provided that they subsidised the French agricultural economy. A cosy relationship, which was why de Gaulle never wanted Britain involved. It then developed into a very rational free trade area, at which point I strongly supported it. They had to choose between economic and political priorities. They chose political priorities. Therefore they have been hijacked by a largely unelected elite who are trying to create a superstate. Unfortunately the Eurocentric world in which it was created has ceased to exist and their superstate is an unsustainable monolith. Therefore we need to pursue our international ambitions outside it.
We have a more immediate problem.
Westminster is busy throwing more and more powers at Scotland in satisfaction of some ill conceived 'Vow' given by Gordon Brown prior to the Independence referendum. Brown was and is a f
king clown whose only political ability is to be the worlds greatest bully. Everyone has forgotten that 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against independence, and they did not imho do so because they wanted more independence. They did so because they are principally British and they want the whole SNP thing to go away and let them get on with their lives. Instead of which the Government gives the SNP all the rope they could possibly need to hang us all.Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 29th November 09:22
oyster said:
Esseesse said:
Liokault said:
You attacked the questioner, you didn't answer the question.
Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Not conservative?Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Another PH'er who doesn't seem to know the difference between Conservatism and Thatcherism.
Whilst the above may or may not arguably be strictly perfectly in line with what exactly is the definition of Conservatism (and it's definition is debatable), I think it's what a sizable majority are looking for from a Conservative party/leader. Cameron is none of the above.
Edited by Esseesse on Monday 1st December 12:06
Liokault said:
Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Good article today on cmd: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30306855Mark Mardell said:
To watch David Cameron in action is as thrilling and as empty an experience as watching a Hollywood blockbuster.
It seems impossible that he can survive the forces ranged against him, but he buys time, survives for a precious minute, which gives him an hour, which gives him a day.
But there is a hollowness too, for it dawns on the viewer that this is all about survival, buying time until it is time to fight the next battle, but there is no plan, no plot, no narrative
It seems impossible that he can survive the forces ranged against him, but he buys time, survives for a precious minute, which gives him an hour, which gives him a day.
But there is a hollowness too, for it dawns on the viewer that this is all about survival, buying time until it is time to fight the next battle, but there is no plan, no plot, no narrative
Yazar said:
Liokault said:
Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Good article today on cmd: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30306855Mark Mardell said:
To watch David Cameron in action is as thrilling and as empty an experience as watching a Hollywood blockbuster.
It seems impossible that he can survive the forces ranged against him, but he buys time, survives for a precious minute, which gives him an hour, which gives him a day.
But there is a hollowness too, for it dawns on the viewer that this is all about survival, buying time until it is time to fight the next battle, but there is no plan, no plot, no narrative
It seems impossible that he can survive the forces ranged against him, but he buys time, survives for a precious minute, which gives him an hour, which gives him a day.
But there is a hollowness too, for it dawns on the viewer that this is all about survival, buying time until it is time to fight the next battle, but there is no plan, no plot, no narrative
Took a little longer than I expected but is it time for bye bye Mr Cameron - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...
Esseesse said:
oyster said:
Esseesse said:
Liokault said:
You attacked the questioner, you didn't answer the question.
Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Not conservative?Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Another PH'er who doesn't seem to know the difference between Conservatism and Thatcherism.
Whilst the above may or may not arguably be strictly perfectly in line with what exactly is the definition of Conservatism (and it's definition is debatable), I think it's what a sizable majority are looking for from a Conservative party/leader. Cameron is none of the above.
Edited by Esseesse on Monday 1st December 12:06
Esseesse said:
oyster said:
Another PH'er who doesn't seem to know the difference between Conservatism and Thatcherism.
Free(er) markets, less state intervention in your life, less regulation, less state spending generally, smaller governments, socially conservative.Whilst the above may or may not arguably be strictly perfectly in line with what exactly is the definition of Conservatism (and it's definition is debatable), I think it's what a sizable majority are looking for from a Conservative party/leader. Cameron is none of the above.
Edited by Esseesse on Monday 1st December 12:06
Less regulation: http://www.smallbusiness.co.uk/news/outlook/245226...
Less State spending: Dropped from 47% of GDP to 43.5% of GDP during this govt
Smaller govts: Number of civil servants has dropped from 500,000 to 408,000 (FTE) under this government
Less state intervention in your life: See above three
So on the basis of facts , Cameron looks to be most of your definition (and I have skipped socially conservative as it is somewhat ambiguous)
Given that most of us under the age of 35 will never receive a state pension despite contributing you would have thought this Tory MP might be bothered to pay attention to the hearing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864911/So...
No too busy playing Candy Crush Saga on his taxpayer funded iPad
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864911/So...
No too busy playing Candy Crush Saga on his taxpayer funded iPad
FiF said:
At least he admitted to it and having a game or two. Unlike a local LibDem councillor caught plating solitaire on her taxpayer funded iPad. She claimed that out omif all the possibilities she had chosen a solitaire image as her screen background image.
It could be worse I suppose. In India a year or 2 ago some ministers of a state assembly, including the women's affairs minister, had to quit after being caught watching porn on their smartphones in parliament.
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINTRE8170VD...
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