Tories the future (part1)
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I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:
1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins, at which point, he calls an election and makes the Conservatives campaign on a reluctant remain ticket ("we would have liked to leave but just not practical anymore blah blah blah") and becomes the sacrificial lamb. The hardcore Brexiters will vote UKIP, but most people to whom it's not a massive issue will vote as normal, but the 3 main parties will do some sly no compete deals to ensure that even if UKIP get a few seats, it's not the end of the world, and they'll compete on the rest. If the Tories lose, JH will just resign immediately. If they win, he'll stick around for a bit until there is a Euroscpetic coup and he's removed.
So after all of this, the Tories can still wave their eurosceptic banner and claim to have binned a leader who wasn't in tune with "grass roots". And the people who want to feel like they're sticking one to the establishment also have a few UKIP MPs to show for it and let steam off without causing too much trouble. Win all round
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins, at which point, he calls an election and makes the Conservatives campaign on a reluctant remain ticket ("we would have liked to leave but just not practical anymore blah blah blah") and becomes the sacrificial lamb. The hardcore Brexiters will vote UKIP, but most people to whom it's not a massive issue will vote as normal, but the 3 main parties will do some sly no compete deals to ensure that even if UKIP get a few seats, it's not the end of the world, and they'll compete on the rest. If the Tories lose, JH will just resign immediately. If they win, he'll stick around for a bit until there is a Euroscpetic coup and he's removed.
So after all of this, the Tories can still wave their eurosceptic banner and claim to have binned a leader who wasn't in tune with "grass roots". And the people who want to feel like they're sticking one to the establishment also have a few UKIP MPs to show for it and let steam off without causing too much trouble. Win all round
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:
1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Hope any reshuffle removes Amber Rudd, Anna Soubry...
Oh yes please.Edited by Sam All on Tuesday 28th June 14:55
turbobloke said:
Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:
1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
Mario149 said:
turbobloke said:
Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:
1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose
My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...
Right, I'm off to the bookies!
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
If you win the bet I will be first in the queue to offer congratulations.
turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:Flash EU membership is alive!
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendumMove over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.
desolate said:
turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:Flash EU membership is alive!
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendumMove over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.
JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.
ATG said:
JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.
desolate said:
turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.
Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:Flash EU membership is alive!
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendumMove over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed:
Well for now yes but not for too long.
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.
I think however that there is a subtle nuance - I'm not sure that the EU wants us in really - so maybe we would be more successful in negotiations if we threatened to stay !
Mike
mikees said:
I'm really surprised you think this Desolate (no slight intended) - I think it is entirely possible nee likely that this is exactly what will happen (not the hunt part of course).
I think however that there is a subtle nuance - I'm not sure that the EU wants us in really - so maybe we would be more successful in negotiations if we threatened to stay !
Mike
You think it is likely they will rerun the referendum?I think however that there is a subtle nuance - I'm not sure that the EU wants us in really - so maybe we would be more successful in negotiations if we threatened to stay !
Mike
Anyone who organises that is a total charlatan, so yes you may be right - with the venal sock puppets who rise to the top in our political system it could happen.
ATG said:
If you want a candidate who can win a general election, a break with the past is not a bad idea. Most of the well known Tories can only appeal to half of the existing Tory vote and stand no chance of reaching out to the wider electorate. Crabb is exactly the kind of candidate we need.
We do need more from someone who will instantly become PM once voted leader than being unknown and hasn't p*ssed too many people off as a result.Corbyn was unknown before being elected and that hasn't worked out too well.
All the Cameroon followers seem to be uniting around May and yet previously she was more identified with the right of the party. Why isn't she a unity candidate?
In terms of the dream candidate IMO they would be Eurosceptic but pragmatic with it, socially liberal, one nation on economic matters but with a drive to reduce welfare dependency and opposed to open borders but agreeable to skilled migration.
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