Tories the future (part1)

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turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Sam All said:
Hope any reshuffle removes Amber Rudd, Anna Soubry...
Oh yes please.

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:

1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose

My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins, at which point, he calls an election and makes the Conservatives campaign on a reluctant remain ticket ("we would have liked to leave but just not practical anymore blah blah blah") and becomes the sacrificial lamb. The hardcore Brexiters will vote UKIP, but most people to whom it's not a massive issue will vote as normal, but the 3 main parties will do some sly no compete deals to ensure that even if UKIP get a few seats, it's not the end of the world, and they'll compete on the rest. If the Tories lose, JH will just resign immediately. If they win, he'll stick around for a bit until there is a Euroscpetic coup and he's removed.

So after all of this, the Tories can still wave their eurosceptic banner and claim to have binned a leader who wasn't in tune with "grass roots". And the people who want to feel like they're sticking one to the establishment also have a few UKIP MPs to show for it and let steam off without causing too much trouble. Win all round smile

Right, I'm off to the bookies! wink

turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:

1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose

My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...

Right, I'm off to the bookies! wink
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Hope any reshuffle removes Amber Rudd, Anna Soubry...
Oh yes please.
& that lightweight token Priti Patel, but suspect she will be promoted for being on the right side and the token. Warsi, the previous token made lots of positive noise towards remain a few days before the Referendum - hoping to make a come back.

Edited by Sam All on Tuesday 28th June 14:55

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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turbobloke said:
Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:

1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose

My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...

Right, I'm off to the bookies! wink
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.
biggrin

turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Mario149 said:
turbobloke said:
Mario149 said:
I have a theory about Jeremy Hunt entering the leadership race. Think about it:

1) he's making noises about having a new ref on leaving EU (or rather the terms of leaving) or an election
2) he's pro-Remain
3) he's universally hated already pretty much so has nothing to lose

My prediction? The Conservatives, even the Brexit ones, realize that this is all a massive disaster and that we need to backtrack but they don't want to look like they're actually doing it otherwise their voters will never forgive them. So, there'll be some sort of deal to ensure JH wins...

Right, I'm off to the bookies! wink
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.
biggrin
smile

If you win the bet I will be first in the queue to offer congratulations.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendum
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.

turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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desolate said:
turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendum
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.
yes



Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.

turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?

JagLover

42,392 posts

235 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?
Who indeed?

Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.


ATG

20,571 posts

272 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?
Who indeed?

Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.
If you want a candidate who can win a general election, a break with the past is not a bad idea. Most of the well known Tories can only appeal to half of the existing Tory vote and stand no chance of reaching out to the wider electorate. Crabb is exactly the kind of candidate we need.

turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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ATG said:
JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?
Who indeed?

Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.
If you want a candidate who can win a general election, a break with the past is not a bad idea. Most of the well known Tories can only appeal to half of the existing Tory vote and stand no chance of reaching out to the wider electorate. Crabb is exactly the kind of candidate we need.
Not a cat in hell's chance.

mikees

2,747 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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desolate said:
turbobloke said:
Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!

nono

Well for now yes but not for too long.
I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendum
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.
I'm really surprised you think this Desolate (no slight intended) - I think it is entirely possible nee likely that this is exactly what will happen (not the hunt part of course).

I think however that there is a subtle nuance - I'm not sure that the EU wants us in really - so maybe we would be more successful in negotiations if we threatened to stay ! hehe

Mike

ATG

20,571 posts

272 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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turbobloke said:
Not a cat in hell's chance.
Care to elaborate?

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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If nothing else David's EU referendum seems to have completely sunk the Labour party in a blue on blue, er red, collateral damage sinking.

Well done David. biggrin Maggie will be chortling

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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mikees said:
I'm really surprised you think this Desolate (no slight intended) - I think it is entirely possible nee likely that this is exactly what will happen (not the hunt part of course).

I think however that there is a subtle nuance - I'm not sure that the EU wants us in really - so maybe we would be more successful in negotiations if we threatened to stay ! hehe

Mike
You think it is likely they will rerun the referendum?


Anyone who organises that is a total charlatan, so yes you may be right - with the venal sock puppets who rise to the top in our political system it could happen.

paul789

3,681 posts

104 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
Stephen Crabb will stand for leadership.
Who?
Who indeed?

Some of the people putting their names forward aren't household names in their own households.
The Jeremy Beadle revivial guy.

JagLover

42,392 posts

235 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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ATG said:
If you want a candidate who can win a general election, a break with the past is not a bad idea. Most of the well known Tories can only appeal to half of the existing Tory vote and stand no chance of reaching out to the wider electorate. Crabb is exactly the kind of candidate we need.
We do need more from someone who will instantly become PM once voted leader than being unknown and hasn't p*ssed too many people off as a result.

Corbyn was unknown before being elected and that hasn't worked out too well.

All the Cameroon followers seem to be uniting around May and yet previously she was more identified with the right of the party. Why isn't she a unity candidate?

In terms of the dream candidate IMO they would be Eurosceptic but pragmatic with it, socially liberal, one nation on economic matters but with a drive to reduce welfare dependency and opposed to open borders but agreeable to skilled migration.


turbobloke

103,929 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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ATG said:
Care to elaborate?
What on earth is there to add?