Tories the future (part1)

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Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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AJS- said:
brenflys777 said:
AJS- said:
William Rees Mogg - the honourable member for 1952.
I actually like Rees Mogg, when he talks seriously about things he is often very perceptive and thoughtful.... I can only put that video down to his dry sense of self deprecating humour biggrin
I know what you mean, and he's clearly very intelligent. I thought he might actually be a possibility to defect to UKIP, but his morbid attachment to the Tory party seems to be an insurmountable obstacle to seeing reason.
I think his constituency is very much not a UKIP area.

mrpurple

Original Poster:

2,624 posts

187 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
AJS- said:
brenflys777 said:
AJS- said:
William Rees Mogg - the honourable member for 1952.
I actually like Rees Mogg, when he talks seriously about things he is often very perceptive and thoughtful.... I can only put that video down to his dry sense of self deprecating humour biggrin
I know what you mean, and he's clearly very intelligent. I thought he might actually be a possibility to defect to UKIP, but his morbid attachment to the Tory party seems to be an insurmountable obstacle to seeing reason.
I think his constituency is very much not a UKIP area.
Well I know 1st hand he wanted to have some sort of "agreement" with the local BANES UKIP.

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

187 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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So how do we think the boys will get on with their respective re-negotiations?


jogon

2,971 posts

157 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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With Cameron negotiating we will probably end up paying £2.7bn and the numbers of immigrants will double..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

He couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.

mrpurple

Original Poster:

2,624 posts

187 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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jogon said:
With Cameron negotiating we will probably end up paying £2.7bn and the numbers of immigrants will double..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

He couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.
Wonder where Maggie's handbags are now?

mrpurple

Original Poster:

2,624 posts

187 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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mrpurple said:
Esseesse said:
AJS- said:
brenflys777 said:
AJS- said:
William Rees Mogg - the honourable member for 1952.
I actually like Rees Mogg, when he talks seriously about things he is often very perceptive and thoughtful.... I can only put that video down to his dry sense of self deprecating humour biggrin
I know what you mean, and he's clearly very intelligent. I thought he might actually be a possibility to defect to UKIP, but his morbid attachment to the Tory party seems to be an insurmountable obstacle to seeing reason.
I think his constituency is very much not a UKIP area.
Well I know 1st hand he wanted to have some sort of "agreement" with the local BANES UKIP.
I don't think he will defect to UKIP but he does seem to begetting as close to them as he can.

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_former_treasurer_to_mount...

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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mrpurple said:
mrpurple said:
Esseesse said:
AJS- said:
brenflys777 said:
AJS- said:
William Rees Mogg - the honourable member for 1952.
I actually like Rees Mogg, when he talks seriously about things he is often very perceptive and thoughtful.... I can only put that video down to his dry sense of self deprecating humour biggrin
I know what you mean, and he's clearly very intelligent. I thought he might actually be a possibility to defect to UKIP, but his morbid attachment to the Tory party seems to be an insurmountable obstacle to seeing reason.
I think his constituency is very much not a UKIP area.
Well I know 1st hand he wanted to have some sort of "agreement" with the local BANES UKIP.
I don't think he will defect to UKIP but he does seem to begetting as close to them as he can.

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_former_treasurer_to_mount...
Well he's popular because he puts principles above his Tory career. He seems sincere because he is. Good to see the EAW being challenged.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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Tory eurosceptics setting out their stalls to pressure Dave to draw some red lines in the sand when they lose Rochester and Strood.

No worries folks Wombat and Zod say it would be a bad plan.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/h...

brenflys777

2,678 posts

176 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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The conservatives might have set some of the hares running on Milliband's leadership, but after today the future can only be losing elections or losing the leadership team.

Do any Tories feel today has been a good day for them or the country?

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Friday 7th November 2014
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brenflys777 said:
The conservatives might have set some of the hares running on Milliband's leadership, but after today the future can only be losing elections or losing the leadership team.

Do any Tories feel today has been a good day for them or the country?
I'm not a Tory but I do think it's been a good day for the country.

I think it has been a day when many people have seen very clearly what utter contempt Cameron and co have for us as tax payers and voters, and hopefully people will continue to abandon them in droves.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Wednesday 12th November 2014
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Pathetic figure Cameron. Don't agree with everything written but it's a right old rant.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2014/11/uk...

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th November 2014
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So will Dave face a vote of no confidence if the Tories get well beaten in Thursday’s by-election?

steveT350C

6,728 posts

160 months

Saturday 15th November 2014
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mrpurple said:
So will Dave face a vote of no confidence if the Tories get well beaten in Thursday’s by-election?
Don't think so.

IMO the Tories have realised that this by-election is already lost and are now back home scratching their heads trying to work out who they can blame next. The RFU perhaps?

Then again, as a kipper, what would I know

gpo746

3,397 posts

129 months

Saturday 15th November 2014
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mrpurple said:
So will Dave face a vote of no confidence if the Tories get well beaten in Thursday’s by-election?
Agree with above - no
Agree with above on the basis that the tories won't want to appear too fragmented at this stage.
Whether the tories will become more to the right more anti Europe is debatable at this stage. Personally I think they want to be "liked" more than anything. I was a little surprised at the chancellors announcement this morning about something else. Something that I dare not mention as it involves other people whom it seems cannot be commented upon.
I need to go and get a plaster for this cut

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Saturday 15th November 2014
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Whilst this chap has done absolutely nothing wrong and has reported everything completely correctly in the book of members' interests, stuff like this just reinforces the public view that politicians are in it for self interest and there is a revolving door.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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£1300 an hour - ouch!

ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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FiF said:
Whilst this chap has done absolutely nothing wrong and has reported everything completely correctly in the book of members' interests, stuff like this just reinforces the public view that politicians are in it for self interest and there is a revolving door.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
The public can't have it both ways - if they don't want politicians to engage in commerce (even entirely within the rules framed by an independent regulator) then they have to be paid properly from the public purse.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
FiF said:
Whilst this chap has done absolutely nothing wrong and has reported everything completely correctly in the book of members' interests, stuff like this just reinforces the public view that politicians are in it for self interest and there is a revolving door.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
The public can't have it both ways - if they don't want politicians to engage in commerce (even entirely within the rules framed by an independent regulator) then they have to be paid properly from the public purse.
MPs ARE paid properly from the public purse.

what makes you say they are not?

ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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NicD said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
FiF said:
Whilst this chap has done absolutely nothing wrong and has reported everything completely correctly in the book of members' interests, stuff like this just reinforces the public view that politicians are in it for self interest and there is a revolving door.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
The public can't have it both ways - if they don't want politicians to engage in commerce (even entirely within the rules framed by an independent regulator) then they have to be paid properly from the public purse.
MPs ARE paid properly from the public purse.

what makes you say they are not?
At the moment MP/ministerial salaries are ridiculously low. This has been an issue since the sixties. It was fudged in the 1980s with an expenses system that came back to bite the politicians and now, if we genuinely want high quality people in politics, focusing on politics rather than outside interests, we need to grasp the nettle and move politicians' pay levels to a more realistic point

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
quotequote all
ClaphamGT3 said:
NicD said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
FiF said:
Whilst this chap has done absolutely nothing wrong and has reported everything completely correctly in the book of members' interests, stuff like this just reinforces the public view that politicians are in it for self interest and there is a revolving door.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
The public can't have it both ways - if they don't want politicians to engage in commerce (even entirely within the rules framed by an independent regulator) then they have to be paid properly from the public purse.
MPs ARE paid properly from the public purse.

what makes you say they are not?
At the moment MP/ministerial salaries are ridiculously low. This has been an issue since the sixties. It was fudged in the 1980s with an expenses system that came back to bite the politicians and now, if we genuinely want high quality people in politics, focusing on politics rather than outside interests, we need to grasp the nettle and move politicians' pay levels to a more realistic point
So you say, I am not convinced as there are HUGE tertiary benefits - the revolving door after and not forgetting the House of Lordsgreed and the Queens decorations.

But I am particularly not convinced that paying substantially more will bring about 'high quality people in politics, focusing on politics rather than outside interests'

Is there any evidence or lessons from other countries to support this?

Seems we would get the same autocue, scheming, venal, connected but useless people, just being paid more.