Tories the future (part1)

[ATG]

JagLover said:

ATG said:

If you want a candidate who can win a general election, a break with the past is not a bad idea. Most of the well known Tories can only appeal to half of the existing Tory vote and stand no chance of reaching out to the wider electorate. Crabb is exactly the kind of candidate we need.

We do need more from someone who will instantly become PM once voted leader than being unknown and hasn't p*ssed too many people off as a result.

Corbyn was unknown before being elected and that hasn't worked out too well.

All the Cameroon followers seem to be uniting around May and yet previously she was more identified with the right of the party. Why isn't she a unity candidate?

In terms of the dream candidate IMO they would be Eurosceptic but pragmatic with it, socially liberal, one nation on economic matters but with a drive to reduce welfare dependency and opposed to open borders but agreeable to skilled migration.

May is the obvious choice as a unifying candidate for the party. I'd be surprised if she'd get much support in the country. Crabb is pretty much as described in your last paragraph, depending how strong you want your euroscepticism. His background means he could provide a clear break from the recent "privileged" leadership. It's daft that many believe in "liberal elites" and think politicians are out of touch as if it were a challenge to empathise with people less fortunate than oneself, but they do. If Labour and the Lib Dems get their st together in the next couple of months, the Conservatives are going have to do something pretty radical to hold on to government in an election.

[FiF]

turbobloke said:

desolate said:

turbobloke said:

Good luck with that bet, the above post must rank as some of the more fanciful wishful thinking seen so far. Nothing personal I assure you, but it reads as a fantasy storyline with the Remainers' fairytale deus ex machina ending.

Move over Dallas and Bobby, hello Brian Blessed: Flash EU membership is alive!



Well for now yes but not for too long.

I really can't see how any one can possibly stand on a platform of re-running the referendum
I can see that "They" will fudge a solution that does no good for anyone.
But to be honest, looking at the useless tosspots that are running the show, or have a chance of running the show, nothing would surprise me.

Matt Goodwin on twitter
@robfordmancs @philipjcowley Britain’s left behind already demonstrated a willingness to punch the elite in face. I wdn’t test them again.

[hidetheelephants]

JagLover said:

In terms of the dream candidate IMO they would be Eurosceptic but pragmatic with it, socially liberal, one nation on economic matters but with a drive to reduce welfare dependency and opposed to open borders but agreeable to skilled migration.

You've described David Davis; steady hand on the tiller, sufficiently old that he won't want to be in the job long, offering the prospect of a succession for any emerging talent.

[JagLover]

ATG said:

May is the obvious choice as a unifying candidate for the party. I'd be surprised if she'd get much support in the country. Crabb is pretty much as described in your last paragraph, depending how strong you want your euroscepticism. His background means he could provide a clear break from the recent "privileged" leadership. It's daft that many believe in "liberal elites" and think politicians are out of touch as if it were a challenge to empathise with people less fortunate than oneself, but they do. If Labour and the Lib Dems get their st together in the next couple of months, the Conservatives are going have to do something pretty radical to hold on to government in an election.

I do think that it needs to be borne in mind that whoever is selected will immediately become Prime Minister. Yes it is hard to see May instantly connecting with the country but then Mrs T was initially unpopular and I doubt in today's times people are looking for a PM with perma grin like Tony Blair. She isn't perfect, but then neither are any of the other candidates.

If Crabb is everything you say he is then I am sure he has a bright future ahead of him and may be ready to be leader in 5-10 years time.

Ironically May is being described as the "moderate" choice to stop Johnson but as far as I can see anywhere they disagree she is to the right of him. Anyway once they get down to the final two I will carefully review what they both plan to do as it is not something to be decided on personalities alone. There has been lots of childish talk about "stopping Johnson" as if that is the key political decision of the moment. Tory MPs need to pick their strongest two candidates this is not a game.

[don4l]

I'd like to see Andrea Leadsom win. I trust her more than I trust Boris.

ETA

Actually, the more I think about it the more I like her.

Female PM's have a superb track record.

I thought that she could be almost as good as Maggie. However, on reflection, she could be better. She has a more conciliatory approach, and she could persuade a lot of betwetters weally wowwied people that they had nothing to worry about.

She is down to Earth, factual and well informed.

Edited by don4l on Tuesday 28th June 19:42

[turbobloke]

May has no A50 place at the EU table as a Caneronesque Remainer. She's also said to be a pollster's favourite (apart from don't know) a surefire kiss of death.

[JagLover]

turbobloke said:

May has no A50 place at the EU table as a Caneronesque Remainer. She's also said to be a pollster's favourite (apart from don't know) a surefire kiss of death.

Poor Nicky Morgan actually registered a zero percent

[JagLover]

hidetheelephants said:

You've described David Davis; steady hand on the tiller, sufficiently old that he won't want to be in the job long, offering the prospect of a succession for any emerging talent.

Perhaps, but he has been out of front line politics for a long time.

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

Poor Nicky Morgan actually registered a zero percent

And that is too much. She is truly appalling.

[hidetheelephants]

Liam Fox chucks his hat in the ring; presumably he's hoping everyone's forgotten about Adam Werritty?

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

I'd like to see Andrea Leadsom win. I trust her more than I trust Boris.

ETA

Actually, the more I think about it the more I like her.

Female PM's have a superb track record.

I thought that she could be almost as good as Maggie. However, on reflection, she could be better. She has a more conciliatory approach, and she could persuade a lot of betwetters weally wowwied people that they had nothing to worry about.

She is down to Earth, factual and well informed.

Edited by don4l on Tuesday 28th June 19:42

Haha
How many times did she try to brainwash the idiots with 'Take Control' during the Brexit lying X factor style debate . A lightweight embarrassment to the British. Even clown Boris had more gravitas!
St Theresa will win. Followed by GM. Tear up the referendum party will win, be it conservatives or LDs