Canadian Soldier Shot in Ottawa

[SR7492]

Eclassy said:

Hooli said:

TLandCruiser said:

Four Litre said:

I for one am done with Islam

I cant personally do much about it but, finanically I wont go near any shop that is Halal (Pizza express included!) or use any business that is Islamic owned.

Yes it may be petty, my loss etc etc but Ive really had enough. Its my personal choice.

So am I and I have been doing the same for some time now.

Very common with a lot of people I know too, including myself.


As for whoever said we need our own Gutanemo, wasn't that why we invented stain when we spilt it off from India?

Big shame, very petty and extremely counter productive.

I'd like to think you three are reasonable people and if you have altered your perception of every muslim because of the actions a tiny but violent minority (who do not represent muslims) then the terrorists have achieved their aim.

I hope you also boycotted all Catholic owned establishments and the BBC when news of peadophilia by some in these establishments broke.

While you are carrying out your boycott ensure you do not get treated by a muslim doctor, take a train/cab/bus driven by a muslim e.t.c.

Well said!

[XJ Flyer]

MikeGTi said:

XJ Flyer said:

The fact is there is enough evidence out there to show that what's 'actually' happening is the future 'removal' of our MBT role capability to just be replaced by the light tank role.Removal in this case doesn't get more removed than 'stopping production' of Challenger 2 MBT's in favour of spending billions on a light tank armament programme.All to save money.

Source? I don't remember reading anywhere about us losing our MBT capability.

What else would explain the closure of all future Challenger 2 production.While the reasons given for that are clear enough in the information provided as to that closure.

[MikeGTi]

XJ Flyer said:

What else would explain the closure of all future Challenger 2 production.While the reasons given for that are clear enough in the information provided as to that closure.

That we have enough, so we don't need to make more...? We don't stockpile tanks you know.

XJ Flyer said:

Apaches and drones firing Hellfire missiles and light tanks aren't going to be any good in dealing with a domestic threat from our own immigrant populations.The issue of it being a dirty no hold barred confrontation then inevitably descends into tit for tat actions by paramilitary groups working without government control or knowledge.

In this case the issue of tit for tat taking on new meaning assuming an environment of indiscriminate mass casualty spectaculars with no warning.Which as I've said probably explains the real fears of the western governments and the relatively lower level and seemingly more restrained and selective actions undertaken by the IS lot since 9/11 and 7/7.

IS, "lower level.. more restrained", bearing in mind they control vast swathes of Syria and Iraq I wouldn't say they're low level and restrained.

Clearly you're a bit special, I'm out, have a nice day.

[anonymous-user]

Ha! I point out that Jimbeaux didn't know how to spell Polis (surprising for someone who claims to understand the word) and he accuses me of Googling a word I have known since I was reading Thucydides in school. PH always delivers!

Given that the WW2 generation set up tribunals to deal with war criminals and established international conventions to safeguard the rule of law, I do not agree that they would have endorsed Guantánamo.

[Jimbeaux]

PRTVR said:

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I gave no comment or support to the EDL idea another poster put forward; nothing to do with me.

The German Army more or less followed the rules of war generally accepted by the western civilizations. Prisoners were kept and cared for as opposed to being shot on site, etc (the SS being the exception). The Nazis leadership or SS arm did not; however, their policies were represented on the main part by the German military, which was no more Nazi than you or I but rather a professional military fighting for their country (right or wrong).

The Germans had much in common with our Polis while these Mulim extremists were are facing now do not. So I say again, we may be forced to step out of our "zone", fight an enemy on terms and conditions that he chose, so that we may make it safe to return to our "zone" and live by the principles we have chosen.

I feel certain that the generation that made your safe and comfortable life possible would not even be having this discussion, it would be understood without a word said. Thanks for the spelling lesson btw, but I believe it more significant that I understood the concept of Polis to begin with than got the spelling correct (which you probably noticed when you Googled the word to begin with).

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 23 October 15:23

I think the correct conclusion in this case is that it would take a paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules to defeat another paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules.

"Taking the gloves off" does not mean we void all rules, it does mean that political and PC restaints are discarded in favor of victory. We can defeat them without crucifying, beheading, or ramming crucifixes through their throats. Special forces combined with light mechanized infantry along with tactical air support (Apaches & A-10s) would do nicely if combined with local fighters' ground intelligence.

This is how I envisioned it would happen, along with no press present.
More a job for your marines?

Not sure if our Marines, your Marines, our Special Forces, etc. Just so they are mobile, can call in tactical air support, and can work with the Kurds on the ground, etc.

[Jimbeaux]

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I gave no comment or support to the EDL idea another poster put forward; nothing to do with me.

The German Army more or less followed the rules of war generally accepted by the western civilizations. Prisoners were kept and cared for as opposed to being shot on site, etc (the SS being the exception). The Nazis leadership or SS arm did not; however, their policies were represented on the main part by the German military, which was no more Nazi than you or I but rather a professional military fighting for their country (right or wrong).

The Germans had much in common with our Polis while these Mulim extremists were are facing now do not. So I say again, we may be forced to step out of our "zone", fight an enemy on terms and conditions that he chose, so that we may make it safe to return to our "zone" and live by the principles we have chosen.

I feel certain that the generation that made your safe and comfortable life possible would not even be having this discussion, it would be understood without a word said. Thanks for the spelling lesson btw, but I believe it more significant that I understood the concept of Polis to begin with than got the spelling correct (which you probably noticed when you Googled the word to begin with).

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 23 October 15:23

I think the correct conclusion in this case is that it would take a paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules to defeat another paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules.

Special forces combined with light mechanized infantry along with tactical air support (Apaches & A-10s) would do nicely if combined with local fighters' ground intelligence.

Apaches and drones firing Hellfire missiles and light tanks aren't going to be any good in dealing with a domestic threat from our own immigrant populations.The issue of it being a dirty no hold barred confrontation then inevitably descends into tit for tat actions by paramilitary groups working without government control or knowledge.

In this case the issue of tit for tat taking on new meaning assuming an environment of indiscriminate mass casualty spectaculars with no warning.Which as I've said probably explains the real fears of the western governments and the relatively lower level and seemingly more restrained and selective actions undertaken by the IS lot since 9/11 and 7/7.

All of my posts were aimed at overseas fighting, not domestic. I am certain that the police, both visible and undersover, in cooperation with national enforcement (FBI / MI-5), and civilian cooperation can keep us safe. This is dependent upon canning the PC/political lean and getting serious. A brigade of "Brownshirts" roaming the home streets is not needed IMO and would just replace one problem with another.

[Jimbeaux]

Breadvan72 said:

Ha! I point out that Jimbeaux didn't know how to spell Polis (surprising for someone who claims to understand the word) and he accuses me of Googling a word I have known since I was reading Thucydides in school. PH always delivers!

Given that the WW2 generation set up tribunals to deal with war criminals and established international conventions to safeguard the rule of law, I do not agree that they would have endorsed Guantánamo.

I said nothing of Gitmo, I simply implied that that the generation that faced the Blitz would not be handwringing over offending sensibilities of a group that hated them. Nice try. Falling back again on the spelling error does nothing for your argument; try some substance for a change.
Incidentally, Plato's analysis of "The Republic" is a better description of a Polis than Thucydides shows; again IMHO.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 23 October 16:12

[XJ Flyer]

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I gave no comment or support to the EDL idea another poster put forward; nothing to do with me.

The German Army more or less followed the rules of war generally accepted by the western civilizations. Prisoners were kept and cared for as opposed to being shot on site, etc (the SS being the exception). The Nazis leadership or SS arm did not; however, their policies were represented on the main part by the German military, which was no more Nazi than you or I but rather a professional military fighting for their country (right or wrong).

The Germans had much in common with our Polis while these Mulim extremists were are facing now do not. So I say again, we may be forced to step out of our "zone", fight an enemy on terms and conditions that he chose, so that we may make it safe to return to our "zone" and live by the principles we have chosen.

I feel certain that the generation that made your safe and comfortable life possible would not even be having this discussion, it would be understood without a word said. Thanks for the spelling lesson btw, but I believe it more significant that I understood the concept of Polis to begin with than got the spelling correct (which you probably noticed when you Googled the word to begin with).

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 23 October 15:23

I think the correct conclusion in this case is that it would take a paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules to defeat another paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules.

Special forces combined with light mechanized infantry along with tactical air support (Apaches & A-10s) would do nicely if combined with local fighters' ground intelligence.

Apaches and drones firing Hellfire missiles and light tanks aren't going to be any good in dealing with a domestic threat from our own immigrant populations.The issue of it being a dirty no hold barred confrontation then inevitably descends into tit for tat actions by paramilitary groups working without government control or knowledge.

In this case the issue of tit for tat taking on new meaning assuming an environment of indiscriminate mass casualty spectaculars with no warning.Which as I've said probably explains the real fears of the western governments and the relatively lower level and seemingly more restrained and selective actions undertaken by the IS lot since 9/11 and 7/7.

All of my posts were aimed at overseas fighting, not domestic. I am certain that the police, both visible and undersover, in cooperation with national enforcement (FBI / MI-5), and civilian cooperation can keep us safe. This is dependent upon canning the PC/political lean and getting serious. A brigade of "Brownshirts" roaming the home streets is not needed IMO and would just replace one problem with another.

Ironically I think it is more the fear of causing a change in the rules to one in which paramilitary Brownshirt type forces take over proceedings is what is holding back the domestic IS problem from carrying out their worst threats more than them having any fear whatsoever of our Police and Intelligence services.While also being what our governments are more worried about than the domestic IS threat itself.

[Jimbeaux]

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I gave no comment or support to the EDL idea another poster put forward; nothing to do with me.

The German Army more or less followed the rules of war generally accepted by the western civilizations. Prisoners were kept and cared for as opposed to being shot on site, etc (the SS being the exception). The Nazis leadership or SS arm did not; however, their policies were represented on the main part by the German military, which was no more Nazi than you or I but rather a professional military fighting for their country (right or wrong).

The Germans had much in common with our Polis while these Mulim extremists were are facing now do not. So I say again, we may be forced to step out of our "zone", fight an enemy on terms and conditions that he chose, so that we may make it safe to return to our "zone" and live by the principles we have chosen.

I feel certain that the generation that made your safe and comfortable life possible would not even be having this discussion, it would be understood without a word said. Thanks for the spelling lesson btw, but I believe it more significant that I understood the concept of Polis to begin with than got the spelling correct (which you probably noticed when you Googled the word to begin with).

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 23 October 15:23

I think the correct conclusion in this case is that it would take a paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules to defeat another paramilitary group that isn't fighting by any rules.

Special forces combined with light mechanized infantry along with tactical air support (Apaches & A-10s) would do nicely if combined with local fighters' ground intelligence.

Apaches and drones firing Hellfire missiles and light tanks aren't going to be any good in dealing with a domestic threat from our own immigrant populations.The issue of it being a dirty no hold barred confrontation then inevitably descends into tit for tat actions by paramilitary groups working without government control or knowledge.

In this case the issue of tit for tat taking on new meaning assuming an environment of indiscriminate mass casualty spectaculars with no warning.Which as I've said probably explains the real fears of the western governments and the relatively lower level and seemingly more restrained and selective actions undertaken by the IS lot since 9/11 and 7/7.

All of my posts were aimed at overseas fighting, not domestic. I am certain that the police, both visible and undersover, in cooperation with national enforcement (FBI / MI-5), and civilian cooperation can keep us safe. This is dependent upon canning the PC/political lean and getting serious. A brigade of "Brownshirts" roaming the home streets is not needed IMO and would just replace one problem with another.

Ironically I think it is more the fear of causing a change in the rules to one in which paramilitary Brownshirt type forces take over proceedings is what is holding back the domestic IS problem from carrying out their worst threats more than them having any fear whatsoever of our Police and Intelligence services.While also being what our governments are more worried about than the domestic IS threat itself.

I am not sure of the U.K. but I can assure you that here, at some point, the citizens will fill in where they think their police is lacking. The police know that and will adjust accordingly before that comes to pass IMO, both on a state and national level.

[XJ Flyer]

Jimbeaux said:

Breadvan72 said:

Ha! I point out that Jimbeaux didn't know how to spell Polis (surprising for someone who claims to understand the word) and he accuses me of Googling a word I have known since I was reading Thucydides in school. PH always delivers!

Given that the WW2 generation set up tribunals to deal with war criminals and established international conventions to safeguard the rule of law, I do not agree that they would have endorsed Guantánamo.

I said nothing of Gitmo, I simply implied that that the generation that faced the Blitz would not be handwringing over offending sensibilities of a group that hated them. Nice try. Falling back again on the spelling error does nothing for your argument; try some substance for a change.

Having had parents of the wartime generation 'if' they had known the type of treatment which many SS type offenders were going to get through the war crimes courts they would have had no problems with those offenders having been summarily executed in the field on capture.

[Jimbeaux]

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

Breadvan72 said:

Ha! I point out that Jimbeaux didn't know how to spell Polis (surprising for someone who claims to understand the word) and he accuses me of Googling a word I have known since I was reading Thucydides in school. PH always delivers!

Given that the WW2 generation set up tribunals to deal with war criminals and established international conventions to safeguard the rule of law, I do not agree that they would have endorsed Guantánamo.

I said nothing of Gitmo, I simply implied that that the generation that faced the Blitz would not be handwringing over offending sensibilities of a group that hated them. Nice try. Falling back again on the spelling error does nothing for your argument; try some substance for a change.

Having had parents of the wartime generation 'if' they had known the type of treatment which many SS type offenders were going to get through the war crimes courts they would have had no problems with those offenders having been summarily executed in the field on capture.

True, that generation adhered to our principles as well or better than we do today. The difference was that they understood when it was useless to apply said principles to those who either were not deserving of it or those upon whom it would have no positive effect on if applied. In short, they were decisive. Today's decision makers are muddled in the endless gray area of who is really right and wrong, all while being mired in a quicksand of PC sensibilites and fear of offense. In short, they are indecisive and lack the courage to follow the moral standards set by those before them.

[Digga]

XJ Flyer said:

Having had parents of the wartime generation 'if' they had known the type of treatment which many SS type offenders were going to get through the war crimes courts they would have had no problems with those offenders having been summarily executed in the field on capture.

War is dirty, brutal and complex. To think otherwise is to delusional.

History is rife with guerilla type forces outflanking and outwitting larger, better equipped forces that on paper, should theoretically be superior; the British in the Khyber, Napoleon in Russia and, to an extent, Hitler also in Russia.

Armies are renowned for being well prepared to win the last battle they fought (poorly prepared for the next) and there needs to be a shift in tactic away from large, obvious deployments to more sophisticated - quasi-guerilla - type engagements if we are to solve the present terrorist threat. In many ways, we are back to the cold war.

[TLandCruiser]

Eclassy said:

Big shame, very petty and extremely counter productive.

I'd like to think you three are reasonable people and if you have altered your perception of every muslim because of the actions a tiny but violent minority (who do not represent muslims) then the terrorists have achieved their aim.

I hope you also boycotted all Catholic owned establishments and the BBC when news of peadophilia by some in these establishments broke.

While you are carrying out your boycott ensure you do not get treated by a muslim doctor, take a train/cab/bus driven by a muslim e.t.c.

My view and opinion is also enforced by spending a lot of time in the Middle East., so my feelings have been deep routed for some time.

[loose cannon]

There are lots of chally 2 tanks and a fair few stored away there are also many other vehicles stored away and mothballed for emergences

[petemurphy]

slight tear in eye watching their parliament clapping their sergeant in arms

[Cobnapint]

Jimbeaux said:

And you believe that will make them hate us less? No, that simply turns them loose so they can hit us again. Wake up, this is war and you have to decide if you want to win or roll over let them have their way. It is barbaric, dirty, and not in line with the way we conduct our live within our Polus. These people are not in our Polus, they are trying to destroy it, therefore we fight the game they layed out and by their rules. We protect our Polus in any way possible so that we can go back inside and resume living the way we believe is proper and civilized. If you believe treating these assholes justly, gently, and with progressive ideas and philosophies will "bring them around", then you have already been defeated.

Spot on.

[Mini1275]

durbster said:

Lovely editorial cartoon in Canada:


http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorial-cartoon/201...

Wow, that's very powerful.

[Chlamydia]

Breadvan72 said:

Given that the WW2 generation set up tribunals to deal with war criminals and established international conventions to safeguard the rule of law, I do not agree that they would have endorsed Guantánamo.

I can't say I disagree but we did have our own internment camps during WW2, and as for us not abandoning our rules to defeat the Germans I dare say the people of Dresden would beg to differ.
Anyway, what a crappy situation, I feel for the family of the two dead soldiers.

[Jimbeaux]

petemurphy said:

slight tear in eye watching their parliament clapping their sergeant in arms

I am glad they let him have a weapon, given their gun laws. He deserves all the appluase they can give him. Had he not shot the idiot, many others in that chamber were about to be killed or wounded.

[bobbylondonuk]

Either they talk our language, or we talk their language. We hoped they would talk our language for many many years, it's not working. Time to talk their language.