Canadian Soldier Shot in Ottawa
Discussion
Mermaid said:
soad said:
Mermaid said:
Fast forward 10 years, 20 years, 50 years - there will be a much higher percentage Muslim population in the West, and demanding even more. The genie is out.
So what do you propose? The UK is soft, giving out citizenships (and passports) to the left, right and centre.Can you imagine moving to the Far East and attempting to build a Catholic Church there? So many mosques are here...
I've been into the wine tonight, so forgive me when I say we need to get all Blackjack Pershing on these mofos.
OK, not the un verified urban legend of pig blood-dipped bullets, but what we know. Pay particular attention to the last paragraph:
Trouble with the Moros is an old story. The Spanish conquerors couldn't master them, but even prior to that, the other inhabitants of the Philippines were menaced by the Moro proclivity for warfare, rape, piracy and slave raids. They were (and still are) a savage people and that savagery was, if anything, only sharpened by their conversion to Islam. Now, instead of being mere savages, who could be civilized, they were and remain self-righteous savages who have their religion as a justification for any brand of violence against christians and other infidels, and which doesn't forbid internecine warfare against other tribes of Moros.
The expression "run amok" comes from the Moro experience, and it means a Moro who, for whatever reason, goes on a suicidal killing rampage. Sound familiar? Juramentado is the local name for a band of jihadists. The juramentados operated in pretty much the same manner as the individual running amok, but did so in the name of Allah. This sort of behavior did not arise because of Spanish or American conquest. It was indigenous. To this day, the tendency has not been eradicated, and in truth, it is in resurgence in the Sulu province of the Philippine Islands, along with piracy in the Sulu Sea and surrounding waters.
Blackjack Pershing was in the Philippines for two periods of duty, first as a captain of infantry beginning in May of 1902 and years later as the commanding general of US forces operating in the Sulu district.
US forces came under attack by the Moros almost from the moment the two parties met. The Moros resisted Christian influences (as they saw it), including communications, electricity, hospitals and schools, simply because they were the tools of infidels and threatened to subvert Moro culture and Islamic authority. That is not to say that America's efforts were unremittingly benignant and the Moros utterly villainous. I have no doubt but that the same arrogance that has characterized colonial efforts the world over were in evidence in the Philippines and that the US troops were not universally respectful of local sensitivities and taboos. Still it was bewildering to the Americans that these clearly beneficial efforts were viewed with such hostility. Does any of this sound vaguely familiar?
The Moros tended to harass US forces with sniper fire and sabotage (e.g., cutting telegraph wires). When confronted, they would withdraw into their fortifications, from which they would sometimes venture forth in rushes of suicidal killing frenzy, but never in a coordinated fashion. The Americans would simply surround these forts, bombard them with artillery and then move in and finish the defenders. The result was consistently devastating to the Moros with extremely slight losses on the American side. Usually the loss exchange ratio was at least 10 to 1.
Despite the disparity of these conflicts, its apparent that Pershing did not seek to provoke the Moros to fight and made overtures to tribal leaders to attempt to win them over. President Roosevelt, famous for odd expressions of enthusiasm, was so impressed with Pershing's record against the Moros that he promoted him from captain directly to brigadier general and brought him back to the US.
After Captain Pershing left the Sulu district, Major General Leonard Wood assumed command of the forces attempting to subdue the occasional outbursts of Moro violence. He regarded the Moros as savages undeserving of his consideration or conciliation and applied a more aggressive methodology. As a consequence, Moro insurgency rose. Wood spent the next several years pursuing a succession of Moro rebel leaders.
Finally, in 1906 Maj Gen Wood beseiged a large group of Moros on the volcanic mountain called Bud Dajo. The local Moros, including their families, had removed themselves to Bud Dajo with the intention of making a last stand in the manner of Masada, except that the peculiar muslim martyr obsession was at work before they ever retreated into the crater. Notwithsatnding their determination to die for Allah, Wood's decision to shell the crater and then assualt into it, killing almost 1000 men, women and children, leaving less than 10 survivors of the massacre, was regarded with dismay by the US government and even many within the US Army. Wood remained in the Philippines for another two years,but was recalled in 1909, to be replaced by General Pershing.
Only days after Pershing's return to the Sulu district, another band of 1000 Moros again retreated into Bud Dajo. Pershing, disgusted by the slaughter of his predecessor, vowed to find a better way. Pershing wrote: "I am sorry these Moros are such fools, but . . . I shall lose as few men and kill as few Moros as possible." He beseiged the volcano and cut off all traffic in and out of the crater. Within days the food and water ran out and the Moros surrendered without much fuss - only 12 Moros were killed.
Pershing wrote of the encounter in his official report:
There was never a moment during this investment of Bud Dajo when the Moros, including women, on top of the mountain, would not have fought to the death had they been given the opportunity. They had gone there to make a last stand on this, their sacred mountain, and they were determined to die fighting . . . It was only by the greatest effort that their solid determination to fight it out could be broken. The fact is that they were completely surprised at the prompt and decisive action of the troops in cutting off supplies and preventing escape, and they were chagrined and disappointed in that they were not encouraged to die the death of Mohammedan fanatics. (Quoted from Vandiver, Frank E., Black Jack: The Life and Times of John J. Pershing, Texas A&M University Press, 1977, pp. 464-594)
For the next three or four years the Sulu region experienced peace by Moro standards, with only sporadic and small-scale outbreaks of violence (the Moros were a warlike people and had been for centuries, so true peace was too much to expect).
However, in 1913 the greatest confrontation between the Moros and US forces occurrred under Pershing's watch. This time it was undeniably grave. As many as 10,000 Moro warriors had assembled on the volcanic summit to wage war against the infidels at Bud Bagsak. Pershing saw the potential for a massacre ten times bloodier than the Battle of the Clouds on Bud Dajo had been in 1906. Since the Moros would gather all their family together for these martyr frenzies, Pershing sought to find a way to conduct the inevitable battle against only the hardened, implacable extremists and certainly without the presence of the women and children. To accomplish this, he orchestrated a plan of calculated deception and high level secrecy, intended to lull the Moros into a non-defensive state. After pretending to sail from the region, he covertly landed with a force at night and marched rapidly to the mountain, surprising the Moros in the villages below the mountain and catching all but a few hundred outside the summit fortress. As a consequence, the Moros lost only about 500 men, as the defenders of the fortress fought furiously almost to the last man. However, following this battle, American military hegemony over the Sulu district was not seriously contested ever again.
So, history bears witness that it was Pershing's limited warfare and adept exercise of cunning and restraint that succeeded in quelling the martyr warrior spirit of the Moros. It also reveals that a selective decapitation of leadership and the incorrigible hard core of a militant organization will cause the vast majority of even ardent militants to eventually lose
OK, not the un verified urban legend of pig blood-dipped bullets, but what we know. Pay particular attention to the last paragraph:
Trouble with the Moros is an old story. The Spanish conquerors couldn't master them, but even prior to that, the other inhabitants of the Philippines were menaced by the Moro proclivity for warfare, rape, piracy and slave raids. They were (and still are) a savage people and that savagery was, if anything, only sharpened by their conversion to Islam. Now, instead of being mere savages, who could be civilized, they were and remain self-righteous savages who have their religion as a justification for any brand of violence against christians and other infidels, and which doesn't forbid internecine warfare against other tribes of Moros.
The expression "run amok" comes from the Moro experience, and it means a Moro who, for whatever reason, goes on a suicidal killing rampage. Sound familiar? Juramentado is the local name for a band of jihadists. The juramentados operated in pretty much the same manner as the individual running amok, but did so in the name of Allah. This sort of behavior did not arise because of Spanish or American conquest. It was indigenous. To this day, the tendency has not been eradicated, and in truth, it is in resurgence in the Sulu province of the Philippine Islands, along with piracy in the Sulu Sea and surrounding waters.
Blackjack Pershing was in the Philippines for two periods of duty, first as a captain of infantry beginning in May of 1902 and years later as the commanding general of US forces operating in the Sulu district.
US forces came under attack by the Moros almost from the moment the two parties met. The Moros resisted Christian influences (as they saw it), including communications, electricity, hospitals and schools, simply because they were the tools of infidels and threatened to subvert Moro culture and Islamic authority. That is not to say that America's efforts were unremittingly benignant and the Moros utterly villainous. I have no doubt but that the same arrogance that has characterized colonial efforts the world over were in evidence in the Philippines and that the US troops were not universally respectful of local sensitivities and taboos. Still it was bewildering to the Americans that these clearly beneficial efforts were viewed with such hostility. Does any of this sound vaguely familiar?
The Moros tended to harass US forces with sniper fire and sabotage (e.g., cutting telegraph wires). When confronted, they would withdraw into their fortifications, from which they would sometimes venture forth in rushes of suicidal killing frenzy, but never in a coordinated fashion. The Americans would simply surround these forts, bombard them with artillery and then move in and finish the defenders. The result was consistently devastating to the Moros with extremely slight losses on the American side. Usually the loss exchange ratio was at least 10 to 1.
Despite the disparity of these conflicts, its apparent that Pershing did not seek to provoke the Moros to fight and made overtures to tribal leaders to attempt to win them over. President Roosevelt, famous for odd expressions of enthusiasm, was so impressed with Pershing's record against the Moros that he promoted him from captain directly to brigadier general and brought him back to the US.
After Captain Pershing left the Sulu district, Major General Leonard Wood assumed command of the forces attempting to subdue the occasional outbursts of Moro violence. He regarded the Moros as savages undeserving of his consideration or conciliation and applied a more aggressive methodology. As a consequence, Moro insurgency rose. Wood spent the next several years pursuing a succession of Moro rebel leaders.
Finally, in 1906 Maj Gen Wood beseiged a large group of Moros on the volcanic mountain called Bud Dajo. The local Moros, including their families, had removed themselves to Bud Dajo with the intention of making a last stand in the manner of Masada, except that the peculiar muslim martyr obsession was at work before they ever retreated into the crater. Notwithsatnding their determination to die for Allah, Wood's decision to shell the crater and then assualt into it, killing almost 1000 men, women and children, leaving less than 10 survivors of the massacre, was regarded with dismay by the US government and even many within the US Army. Wood remained in the Philippines for another two years,but was recalled in 1909, to be replaced by General Pershing.
Only days after Pershing's return to the Sulu district, another band of 1000 Moros again retreated into Bud Dajo. Pershing, disgusted by the slaughter of his predecessor, vowed to find a better way. Pershing wrote: "I am sorry these Moros are such fools, but . . . I shall lose as few men and kill as few Moros as possible." He beseiged the volcano and cut off all traffic in and out of the crater. Within days the food and water ran out and the Moros surrendered without much fuss - only 12 Moros were killed.
Pershing wrote of the encounter in his official report:
There was never a moment during this investment of Bud Dajo when the Moros, including women, on top of the mountain, would not have fought to the death had they been given the opportunity. They had gone there to make a last stand on this, their sacred mountain, and they were determined to die fighting . . . It was only by the greatest effort that their solid determination to fight it out could be broken. The fact is that they were completely surprised at the prompt and decisive action of the troops in cutting off supplies and preventing escape, and they were chagrined and disappointed in that they were not encouraged to die the death of Mohammedan fanatics. (Quoted from Vandiver, Frank E., Black Jack: The Life and Times of John J. Pershing, Texas A&M University Press, 1977, pp. 464-594)
For the next three or four years the Sulu region experienced peace by Moro standards, with only sporadic and small-scale outbreaks of violence (the Moros were a warlike people and had been for centuries, so true peace was too much to expect).
However, in 1913 the greatest confrontation between the Moros and US forces occurrred under Pershing's watch. This time it was undeniably grave. As many as 10,000 Moro warriors had assembled on the volcanic summit to wage war against the infidels at Bud Bagsak. Pershing saw the potential for a massacre ten times bloodier than the Battle of the Clouds on Bud Dajo had been in 1906. Since the Moros would gather all their family together for these martyr frenzies, Pershing sought to find a way to conduct the inevitable battle against only the hardened, implacable extremists and certainly without the presence of the women and children. To accomplish this, he orchestrated a plan of calculated deception and high level secrecy, intended to lull the Moros into a non-defensive state. After pretending to sail from the region, he covertly landed with a force at night and marched rapidly to the mountain, surprising the Moros in the villages below the mountain and catching all but a few hundred outside the summit fortress. As a consequence, the Moros lost only about 500 men, as the defenders of the fortress fought furiously almost to the last man. However, following this battle, American military hegemony over the Sulu district was not seriously contested ever again.
So, history bears witness that it was Pershing's limited warfare and adept exercise of cunning and restraint that succeeded in quelling the martyr warrior spirit of the Moros. It also reveals that a selective decapitation of leadership and the incorrigible hard core of a militant organization will cause the vast majority of even ardent militants to eventually lose
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 24th October 23:40
Enjoyed that over coffee. 
Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
king hell. How many more are out there just waiting for the Mo circuit breaker to trip?Mermaid said:
Enjoyed that over coffee.
Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
The security forces in the UK make significant arrests almost daily at the moment.Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
Mermaid said:
Enjoyed that over coffee.
Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
The problem being that the 'safe corridor' and 'evacuation' of 'non combatants' translates as an open door for the 'combatants' to invade us.Bearing in mind that the lot in question don't fight by any rules regarding the identification of combatants.More like the old IRA sleeper tactics but without the IRA rules of engagement.Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
In this case the reason why IS etc haven't made any further spectaculars in the West since 9/11 etc is more likely to be ( justified ) fear of a backlash by the indigenous communities against the immigrant ones which harbour them and/or from which the domestic threat,as opposed to the foreign one,mostly/all originates.
Mermaid said:
Enjoyed that over coffee.
Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
They are relying on the lone wolves to act on ISIS's call to action, at least for now. Contain & let them kill each other for they will. Evacuate (safe corridor for) the non-combatants.
JIm, why have IS not struck at Western targets so far?
Could it be they want to be left alone & in their ways in their "homeland" & want to leave a open a channel of communication?
Fantic SuperT said:
What makes you think that percentage is correct?
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Pol...
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-ir...
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-pa...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,...
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail...
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-pales...
Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terro... for further statistics on Islamic terror.
Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-american...
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeera...
Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al...
Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate...
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-suppor...
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-...
World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/05/majori...
Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-was...
Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summaries/2006_...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/9...
al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/16627...
Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny...
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php...
Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims-westerner...
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fil...
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus....
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/...
Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/artic...
Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/s...
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/A...
Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-greenfield/isl...
Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Do...
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
I could go on.
Jesus wept ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Pol...
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-ir...
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-pa...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,...
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail...
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-pales...
Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terro... for further statistics on Islamic terror.
Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-american...
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeera...
Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al...
Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate...
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-suppor...
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-...
World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/05/majori...
Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-was...
Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summaries/2006_...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/9...
al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/16627...
Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny...
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php...
Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims-westerner...
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fil...
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus....
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/...
Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/artic...
Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/s...
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/A...
Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-greenfield/isl...
Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Do...
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
I could go on.
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Thursday 23 October 08:51
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Thursday 23 October 08:53
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