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TheEnd said:
There's the big flaw, you're asking what a civvie would compared to a trained soldier.
If you flick back through this thread, you'll see what serving and ex-serving members think, and they tend to disagree with you.
A soldier is still human and can still flip, no ifs no buts it happens.If you flick back through this thread, you'll see what serving and ex-serving members think, and they tend to disagree with you.
As a trained soldier he should have known better, and has no one to blame but himself for his predicament. I was angry as hell when I saw this on the news.
Using him as a scapegoat? No. Using him as an example? Definitely.
The guy he shot was not a threat, and it was no mercy killing. He shot the guy because he is a sadistic little s
t.
EDIT: In actuality i do feel a small amount of pity for him. For whatever reason he obviously thought it was a good idea at the time. That said, hes complaining when he should be just shutting up and serving his time. If he does well he'll make parole and be out within 10 years.
Using him as a scapegoat? No. Using him as an example? Definitely.
The guy he shot was not a threat, and it was no mercy killing. He shot the guy because he is a sadistic little s
t. EDIT: In actuality i do feel a small amount of pity for him. For whatever reason he obviously thought it was a good idea at the time. That said, hes complaining when he should be just shutting up and serving his time. If he does well he'll make parole and be out within 10 years.
Edited by Pebbles167 on Friday 11th September 16:38
He broke the trust placed in him as a SNCO.
He commited cold blooded murder in contravention of section 42 of the Armed Forces Act 2006.
And to cap it all he was stupid enough to do so whilst he was being recorded.
He deserves everything he got. I have absolutely no sympathy.
He commited cold blooded murder in contravention of section 42 of the Armed Forces Act 2006.
And to cap it all he was stupid enough to do so whilst he was being recorded.
He deserves everything he got. I have absolutely no sympathy.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Friday 11th September 16:50
eatcustard said:
TheEnd said:
There's the big flaw, you're asking what a civvie would compared to a trained soldier.
If you flick back through this thread, you'll see what serving and ex-serving members think, and they tend to disagree with you.
A soldier is still human and can still flip, no ifs no buts it happens.If you flick back through this thread, you'll see what serving and ex-serving members think, and they tend to disagree with you.
He did the wrong thing, got caught and should be punished. If something was held back from the trial though then that should be looked at as everyone deserves a fair trial. It's one of the things we fight for ffs.
I can only see more of his mental state being taken into account though and the charge moved to manslaughter or something.
I can only see more of his mental state being taken into account though and the charge moved to manslaughter or something.
andy_s said:
98elise said:
Read the transcript. He hadn't flipped, it was cold and calculated.
That's 'flipped'. Read up on PTSD stuff, it's not necessarily manifested in such obvious ways. He has claimed he thought the bloke was already dead, or that it was a split second decision. Thats completely at odds with the camera evidence.
I have sympathy for him.
My son on the other hand who's a serving soldier (who's done Afghanistan and come back with some unpleasant memories) has none whatsoever. He feels that he massively let the side down and has given other soldiers a bad reputation.
So I'm most likely misguided.
My son on the other hand who's a serving soldier (who's done Afghanistan and come back with some unpleasant memories) has none whatsoever. He feels that he massively let the side down and has given other soldiers a bad reputation.
So I'm most likely misguided.
98elise said:
andy_s said:
98elise said:
Read the transcript. He hadn't flipped, it was cold and calculated.
That's 'flipped'. Read up on PTSD stuff, it's not necessarily manifested in such obvious ways. He has claimed he thought the bloke was already dead, or that it was a split second decision. Thats completely at odds with the camera evidence.
andy_s said:
98elise said:
Read the transcript. He hadn't flipped, it was cold and calculated.
That's 'flipped'. Read up on PTSD stuff, it's not necessarily manifested in such obvious ways. While the stress of being in combat for a long time is certainly a driver, this still feels to me like a failure of character more than anything else - how many other soldiers acted in this way during that war?
REALIST123 said:
Which, as we all know, is exactly what would happen. So why are we so exercised when it happens the other way around?
Because we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level. There are rules and regulations and conventions. Many people died to bring around all of these and we are just supposed to throw them away on a whim.How hard is it to realise there are things you cannot do and getting caught doing them has consequences.
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