Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!
Discussion
bodhi said:
Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?
And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?
Norway and Switzerland have actually allowed themselves to be blackmailed outrageously by Euroland.Assuming we joined them the new bloc would have much more leverage to tell the EUSSR to get stuffed in regards to all the conditions it puts on 'outsiders' to deal with it.IE they need us more than we need them.And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?
My view is that we are a strong enough nation to be able to survive and prosper out of the EU.
In reality, would anything actually change, would anyone refuse to export or import because of us not being in the EU, would any company (such as Honda) leave the UK because of it??
UKIP must be loving this big time
In reality, would anything actually change, would anyone refuse to export or import because of us not being in the EU, would any company (such as Honda) leave the UK because of it??
UKIP must be loving this big time
johnxjsc1985 said:
what a moment for Dave to show how big his b
ks are.If we are still running a deficit where do they think this money will come from.
Where's Maggie when you need her.
Make no mistake Maggie was just as much a full on believer in the EU cause as the rest of the Cons.Like Cameron she just put an anti face on that to sell it to the gullible UK public.ks are.If we are still running a deficit where do they think this money will come from.Where's Maggie when you need her.
XJ Flyer said:
Make no mistake Maggie was just as much a full on believer in the EU cause as the rest of the Cons.Like Cameron she just put an anti face on that to sell it to the gullible UK public.
I doubt she would have gone down the road Blair did.I think she saw the value of the market but not what has come since.SydneyBridge said:
My view is that we are a strong enough nation to be able to survive and prosper out of the EU.
In reality, would anything actually change, would anyone refuse to export or import because of us not being in the EU, would any company (such as Honda) leave the UK because of it??
UKIP must be loving this big time
Honda decide to leave we say great go.Then we get back to making things for our own market and keeping all the money made in the UK instead of it going back to Japan or being spent on Euro imports.In reality, would anything actually change, would anyone refuse to export or import because of us not being in the EU, would any company (such as Honda) leave the UK because of it??
UKIP must be loving this big time
johnxjsc1985 said:
XJ Flyer said:
Make no mistake Maggie was just as much a full on believer in the EU cause as the rest of the Cons.Like Cameron she just put an anti face on that to sell it to the gullible UK public.
I doubt she would have gone down the road Blair did.I think she saw the value of the market but not what has come since.arp1 said:
Are you for real? This is what the Scottish government said an independent Scotland could achieve and it was ridiculed, yet here we are! Jeez, pot and kettle!
It could be achieved...They just didn't have enough Yes voters... put it to the vote and let the voters decide.
Difference being Scotland have been allowed the vote, the UK are still waiting on a promise.
Du1point8 said:
arp1 said:
Are you for real? This is what the Scottish government said an independent Scotland could achieve and it was ridiculed, yet here we are! Jeez, pot and kettle!
It could be achieved...They just didn't have enough Yes voters... put it to the vote and let the voters decide.
Difference being Scotland have been allowed the vote, the UK are still waiting on a promise.
I don't mind the UK giving international aid to a country like Germany, they're a major trading partner of ours, they have a solid government and i see them as being very close relations to us in terms of what they stand for and who they are as a people. I'd rather not see our money disappear to places like Italy or Greece though, yes they need support but they're in a mess that they have to get themselves out of and throwing money at them won't do that.
Zyp said:
Just been watching Dave on BBC news - he's not overly chuffed!
His podium took a hammering from his finger, too .
I watched him live too - surprisingly (having thought this was a gift for Farage) I think he may do well out of this as he actually looked quite Prime Ministerial for a change, almost a hint of Statesman like. Just a hint, mind!His podium took a hammering from his finger, too .
Edited by BillPeart on Friday 24th October 14:29
Regiment said:
I don't mind the UK giving international aid to a country like Germany, they're a major trading partner of ours, they have a solid government and i see them as being very close relations to us in terms of what they stand for and who they are as a people. I'd rather not see our money disappear to places like Italy or Greece though, yes they need support but they're in a mess that they have to get themselves out of and throwing money at them won't do that.
Are you insane? Germany could be borrowing at negative interest rates right now if they weren't so fking stubborn!tangerine_sedge said:
Do people really think that there is a huge untapped global market that we are not exporting to? if so, why are busineses not already exporting their goods and services there now? I suggest it's because they are already trying and finding it incredibly difficult.
Isn't that because the EU restricts member states in setting up their own trade deals?tangerine_sedge said:
Put simply, if we backed out of the EU, then certainly it would make trading with the EU more difficult, and the loss of trade wouldn't be replaced by trading to to other countries and regions overnight. Add to that, that some global companies would move some or all of their business from the UK into the EU, and you could quite quickly see an impact to the UK economy.
But the trade wouldn't be lost overnight, so wouldn't need to be immediatelty replaced. I don't think it would make any dfference at all really. We'd gradually buy a bit less from the EU than we currently do, they would buy a bit less from us, we'd set up a few trade deals, buy a bit more from and sell to other less insular areas of the world etc etc.tangerine_sedge said:
The EU is certainly not perfect, but anyone who thinks that it will be a land of milk and honey as an independant nation will get a suprise.
I don't think anyone thinks it will be immediately, but long term I see it being the right thing. I see the EU in its current form being the one left behind in the global race. The only future appears to be full integration, US style, and I cannot see that ever happening without some serious pain. Personally I don't want it either.
Mainland Europe have done this to get a rise from us. Odd, as in the grand scheme of things its not a lot of money, (labour blew 10bn on an abandoned it project for the nhs) but they obviously need it.
So Don't fall for it. Call their bluff. Be like the harry enfield loads a money character. Prove to them how good this country is compared to them.
Pull a blank cheque from your shirt pocket, sign it and hand it over. Look how rich we are..
..in fact. Make the cheque out for More. Then ask for the remainder back...if they can afford it...
So Don't fall for it. Call their bluff. Be like the harry enfield loads a money character. Prove to them how good this country is compared to them.
Pull a blank cheque from your shirt pocket, sign it and hand it over. Look how rich we are..
..in fact. Make the cheque out for More. Then ask for the remainder back...if they can afford it...
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