Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!
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Well according to the new EU demand, drug dealing prostitution are doing very well in this country so we have to pay extra for the people who don't pay any at all. It seems that drugs and prostitution are not doing very well in Germany and France so they get some money back.
Only the EU could come up with this one but how do they calculate each countries contribution?
Personally I think the Government should call their bluff and refuse point blank but as Cameron has all the backbone of a worm I doubt that would happen. I do hope all the finger thumping didn't hurt his little finger too much...
Only the EU could come up with this one but how do they calculate each countries contribution?
Personally I think the Government should call their bluff and refuse point blank but as Cameron has all the backbone of a worm I doubt that would happen. I do hope all the finger thumping didn't hurt his little finger too much...
gottans said:
Well according to the new EU demand, drug dealing prostitution are doing very well in this country so we have to pay extra for the people who don't pay any at all. It seems that drugs and prostitution are not doing very well in Germany and France so they get some money back.
Only the EU could come up with this one but how do they calculate each countries contribution?
Personally I think the Government should call their bluff and refuse point blank but as Cameron has all the backbone of a worm I doubt that would happen. I do hope all the finger thumping didn't hurt his little finger too much...
When will people realise that it isn't a case of a Con leader without backbone.Just like Heath and Thatcher it is just another Europhile Con leader who actually 'wants' to pay up using our money to keep their federalist cronies in the CBI and EU parliament happy.While pretending that they oppose the policies which they are actually enthusiastically implementing.Only the EU could come up with this one but how do they calculate each countries contribution?
Personally I think the Government should call their bluff and refuse point blank but as Cameron has all the backbone of a worm I doubt that would happen. I do hope all the finger thumping didn't hurt his little finger too much...
XJ Flyer said:
According to the Cons propaganda they actually all wanted Davis but voted for Cameron by mistake.Just as they did with Powell when they voted for Maggie by mistake.
You do talk absolute rubbish. Powell wasn't even a member of the Tory party, let alone a candidate when Thatcher was elected leader. In those days the leader was elected by MP's only. In the case of Cameron, he was elected by the party membership as a whole. Davis polled only 38% and was well beaten. unrepentant said:
I'm no fan of Camoron or the Tories. I'd happily watch them destruct. After they lose the election next year they will jettison him, move to the right and promise an in / out referendum as soon as they get back in. And that will be the end of UKIP.
Not if the Tories are clever. Huge numbers of traditional Labour supporters would consider voting UKIP but would never vote Tory. The Tories need to "accommodate" UKIP in those Labour heartlands somehow. The last thing the Tories need to do is destroy UKIP oop North and in the Metropolitan areas.Edited by Norfolkit on Saturday 25th October 15:12
unrepentant said:
XJ Flyer said:
According to the Cons propaganda they actually all wanted Davis but voted for Cameron by mistake.Just as they did with Powell when they voted for Maggie by mistake.
You do talk absolute rubbish. Powell wasn't even a member of the Tory party, let alone a candidate when Thatcher was elected leader. In those days the leader was elected by MP's only. In the case of Cameron, he was elected by the party membership as a whole. Davis polled only 38% and was well beaten. Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 25th October 15:13
Norfolkit said:
unrepentant said:
I'm no fan of Camoron or the Tories. I'd happily watch them destruct. After they lose the election next year they will jettison him, move to the right and promise an in / out referendum as soon as they get back in. And that will be the end of UKIP.
Not if the Tories are clever. Huge numbers of traditional Labour supporters would consider voting UKIP but would never vote Tory. The Tories need to "accommodate" UKIP in those Labour heartlands somehow. The last thing the Tories need to do is destroy UKIP oop North and in the Metropolitan areas.Edited by Norfolkit on Saturday 25th October 15:12
XJ Flyer said:
My point was that Powell was in a position to have been made the Cons leader before and during the time that Thatcher was elected to the position and it doesn't matter wether it was the MP's who elected the leader or not bearing in mind that it was still supposedly the rank and file that put them there as MP's.
Absolute and complete rubbish! As I said, Powell was not even a member of the conservative party when Thatcher was elected and was never again a member of the party! How do you think he could have been made leader?Powell stood for the leadership in 1965 and polled only a handful of votes, he was never a contender for the Conservative leadership at any time.
unrepentant said:
XJ Flyer said:
My point was that Powell was in a position to have been made the Cons leader before and during the time that Thatcher was elected to the position and it doesn't matter wether it was the MP's who elected the leader or not bearing in mind that it was still supposedly the rank and file that put them there as MP's.
Absolute and complete rubbish! As I said, Powell was not even a member of the conservative party when Thatcher was elected and was never again a member of the party! How do you think he could have been made leader?Powell stood for the leadership in 1965 and polled only a handful of votes, he was never a contender for the Conservative leadership at any time.
We know that Powell was never a contender for the Con leadership the difference is in our interpretation as to the 'reasons' for that.Those 'reasons' having nothing whatsoever to do with any wish of Powell's to not stand as the leader of the Cons both before or during Thatcher's rise to the leadership.
IE he walked away from the Cons while at the same time being exiled by the Cons owing to his anti EU anti immigration stance.The Cons excuse being that they are the party of anti immigration and EU scepticism at rank and file level but just happen to keep putting Europhile pro immigration MP's into power by mistake.
XJ Flyer said:
Norfolkit said:
unrepentant said:
I'm no fan of Camoron or the Tories. I'd happily watch them destruct. After they lose the election next year they will jettison him, move to the right and promise an in / out referendum as soon as they get back in. And that will be the end of UKIP.
Not if the Tories are clever. Huge numbers of traditional Labour supporters would consider voting UKIP but would never vote Tory. The Tories need to "accommodate" UKIP in those Labour heartlands somehow. The last thing the Tories need to do is destroy UKIP oop North and in the Metropolitan areas.Edited by Norfolkit on Saturday 25th October 15:12
Couldn't come at a worse time for Cameron, with UKIP snapping at his heels and the need to pull some electoral bribes out of the hat between now and May. He can bluster all he likes, we're on the hook for it.
I wonder how much funding the EU would require if it stopped using the wealth of existing members to bribe new entrants? Why should the redistribution of wealth be a function of the EU?
I think CMD should poison the well before they get booted out in May by moving all direct EU contributions to a hypothecated EU poll tax
I wonder how much funding the EU would require if it stopped using the wealth of existing members to bribe new entrants? Why should the redistribution of wealth be a function of the EU?
I think CMD should poison the well before they get booted out in May by moving all direct EU contributions to a hypothecated EU poll tax
Puggit said:
Esseesse said:
I agree. I think Mr Barroso seems ok, I just dont agree with him. I trust him more than Cameron.
You might want to read up on his political history. The man has a history of supporting Maoist and Communist ideals. He is not a man to be trusted and is part of the anti-democracy movement within the EU. I find Camerons "hardman" language interesting
He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
McWigglebum4th said:
I find Camerons "hardman" language interesting
He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
Exactly what I understood from that. There wasnt a word of "I'm not paying this bill" it was "Im not paying this bill on time!" - So day after the 1st Dec then!!!He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
When this gets paid, Cameron is (burnt) toast and UKIP support with surge.
CMD's choice of words is deliberate.
People hear the "We're not paying" bit and think that is the message.
David Cameron actually said "Of course we will pay; but not by the date you would prefer".
With interest payments does that mean as taxpayers we will have the priveldge of paying more for a later date in order to protect the PM's latest media image?
People hear the "We're not paying" bit and think that is the message.
David Cameron actually said "Of course we will pay; but not by the date you would prefer".
With interest payments does that mean as taxpayers we will have the priveldge of paying more for a later date in order to protect the PM's latest media image?
Edited by Skywalker on Sunday 26th October 09:34
Skywalker said:
CMD's choice of words is deliberate.
People hear the "We're not paying" bit and think that is the message.
David Cameron actually said "Of course we will pay; but not by the date you would prefer".
This bothers mePeople hear the "We're not paying" bit and think that is the message.
David Cameron actually said "Of course we will pay; but not by the date you would prefer".
As he actually believes we are dumb enough to fall for this
Four Litre said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I find Camerons "hardman" language interesting
He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
Exactly what I understood from that. There wasnt a word of "I'm not paying this bill" it was "Im not paying this bill on time!" - So day after the 1st Dec then!!!He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
When this gets paid, Cameron is (burnt) toast and UKIP support with surge.
I honestly think that unless there is a major shift in the political landscape there will be no change. With tye awful Clegg and the dreadful Cameron in charge, which they are, no serious attempt to remove tye UK from this money pit will be made. Certainly the appalling Milliband will not attempt ang reversal from the EU. Socialists stick together to keep ther gravy train running at full speed.
The only hope is that the UKIP challenge proves so challenging that the mainstream parties realise that the game is up. UK politics has been ruined by the boys club unwritten agreements that have developed over the last forty years so effectively demonstrated in the united approach of all three parties to the independant Scotland nonsense.
Independence was offered without any realistic assessment of who pays and for what. Independance with no strings whatsoever was dangled by the SNP and suddenly right at the end the boys club realised how dangerous this had become and came together to stop the madness. Look how all the promised changes to the fundamental matter of the West Lothian question have been buried again. Unless there is a fundamental change in the governance of Westminster we are in the EU for worse. We can but hope.
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