Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!

[Uncle John]

We pay 1.7bn for essentially getting our house in order while the French get a 1bn rebate for being a basket case.....

The Germans are also due a rebate and let me guess, erm yup, this will be 0.7bn!!!

So effectively we will be paying for France and Germany's rebate......

Pure communism, we should refuse to pay and get out of ths fiasco as soon as possible.

[Transmitter Man]

scorp said:

Is that the one and only criteria a company is picked? Seems a bit daft.

That guarantees you get the worst possible job.

Most International organisations that put contracts out for tender now no longer work on the cheapest is best principal.

[John145]

I went to France a couple of weeks ago. It's no real surprise they're still in recession. They do not work hard.

Now we have to bail the out.

Germany is rich and we bail them out? WTF?

Radio 4 this morning said that with this additional fine we will be paying a NET total of £10,000,000,000 (10 billion) per year. Will us leaving the EU cost us that much? We'd have to seriously fk up for that to be the case. At the end of the day we are a democracy with a strong government and a lot to offer the rest of the world.

10 billion is £166 per UK citizen.

[jurbie]

brenflys777 said:

Puggit said:

zygalski said:

Are you indicating someone else is going to pay off our massive national debt? Great!

I think he means something about socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money...

It's the 'right on' way of saying that the needs of the state outweigh the needs of the individual.

[Du1point8]

J B L said:

London424 said:

I don't know if everyone read the entire article...but it's this passage that is most pertinent.

"Eurostat arrived at the €2.1bn figure on the basis of new methods of calculating member states’ GNI since 1995, taking account of previously unreported or under-reported black economy elements, such as drug dealing and consumption or the sex industry."

Basically the EU created this new calculation so they could add a fudge factor into the dodgy and poorly performing countries (Italy I'm looking at you) to make them look like they are doing better than they are.

It's nuts!

I liked it! And that bit before:

"Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, was said to be onside, after the Netherlands was also asked to make top-up payment of £507 million.

The payment, described by officials as a “surcharge” follows a change to the way the EU calculates gross national income to include previous hidden service industries, including such prostitution and illegal drugs"

So most EU countries won't allow drugs to be freely sold or recognise prostitution but, please, give us the tax money if yours does.

The only reason I see the dutch paying and not just the UK is now the EU has taxed them on all the weed shops/red light district they have there, which before were not see as a service...

Dutch being the fall guy for getting more cash from the UK.

[Esseesse]

John145 said:

Will us leaving the EU cost us that much? We'd have to seriously fk up for that to be the case.

No, and (amongst other things) we'd get our fishing industry back, rather than having to allow our fishermen be undercut by the Spanish etc.

[MiniMan64]

Du1point8 said:

Official who's paying what:



Smells of another tax on the UK as the only other country thats has to really pay is Netherlands, Italy downwards will pay and then more than likely get it back in new funding.

Wowsars.

It just gets worse doesn't it?

So not only are we getting stiffed for the best part of £2b because we've tightened our belts but France are going to get £1b given to them because they're a bunch of lazy free-spending socialists?

Wow.

[crofty1984]

zygalski said:

fk you, pokey-ears.

[BlackLabel]

How does one actually go about calculating the value of drug dealing and prostitution to then add it to the gdp? If we disagreed with their calculations what do we do?

[robm3]

I lived in the UK for many years and I couldn't believe the cr@p you all put up with regarding the EU. Talk about getting reamed from behind and shrugging your proverbial shoulders.

Seems to me you've another option in UKIP. If I was there now I'd vote for Farage in a shot.

[Bluebarge]

Own up - who's been spending so much on drugs and prostitutes that our black market dwarfs the Italian one?

I will happily admit to being a supporter of the EU but this does require a "f*** off and justify your numbers" response - that's what the French would say.

[Welshbeef]

It stinks of goal posts moving just like Brown did with his Golden rule on balancing the books.


Anyway question - what about countries who have been pushing Kensyian economics so have vast piles of Debt which has been created to support the growth ie its not real growth its all on the never never.


Worrying really as given that the EU are now going into recession the UK will perform better hence further increased to come.




Again I ask what would Scotland cut to pay for this its nearly 50% of the higher education free Uni fees cost. Hmm Sweeny Todd has some thinking to do. OR they could cut the budget for the Scotland NHS.
Don't worry though SNP will blame the nasty Westminster for deducting their budget....

[steveT350C]

[scorp]

Do we have figures on absolute payments made by France, Germany and the UK, just showing the difference from last time seems misleading if (say) Germany is paying 2x as much to begin with.. I also don't trust any infographic coming from the Daily Mail.

[Du1point8]

scorp said:

Do we have figures on absolute payments made by France, Germany and the UK, just showing the difference from last time seems misleading if (say) Germany is paying 2x as much to begin with.. I also don't trust any infographic coming from the Daily Mail.

http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/

should have what you need... not completely up to date.

[knitware]

So my questions are:

What are we paying for?

Member benefits are?

What could the UK do with £10 billion if it didn't go Europe?

[scorp]

Du1point8 said:

scorp said:

Do we have figures on absolute payments made by France, Germany and the UK, just showing the difference from last time seems misleading if (say) Germany is paying 2x as much to begin with.. I also don't trust any infographic coming from the Daily Mail.

http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/

should have what you need... not completely up to date.

Insightful, thanks. So if I read it correctly, Germany pays about 3x more than the UK and has done so for the past decade. France paid more too.

[fido]

knitware said:

Member benefits are?

Being part of an 'egalitarian' socialist state!

[London424]

BlackLabel said:

How does one actually go about calculating the value of drug dealing and prostitution to then add it to the gdp? If we disagreed with their calculations what do we do?

It's a classic EU fudge...stick whatever number you want down. Need a country to look like it's growing...pick a big number to offset the reduction.

[Tony427]

in his recent speach the the outgoing unelected EU President Mr Barroso kept using the phrase "I get it".

This latest EU debacle just goes to show how much he "doesn't get it" and combined with the latest EU climate change targets will probably guarantee a vote to leave the EU.

About time.

Cheers

Tony